Considering that it has a 30s cd, need to be charged, and only deals 1k damage (or 2k with bleed) at lv 10, it seems pretty lackluster to me.
It might seems “OK” when you compare it to backstab but it doesn’t look “OK” when you compare it to cannon blast or snipe. Both of them hits harder, have lower CD, doesn’t need to be charged, and is AoE (snipe can be AoE with circling).
Unless I’m missing something obvious…
Snipe is just overrated, im talking PvE wise, its 25 sec CD, there is nothing short here.
Snipe Circle AOE got nerfed pretty hard, and the AOE circle is very small, so don’t count on that.
Its powerful, yes, but its not going to be the top of your most damaging skills in your rotation due to its high CD.
Cannoneer is just broken OP right now, it will get nerfed, just a matter of time.
Vendetta is the least of the attractions of the Rogue tree, my point was just to show it as fine skill with good utility when grinding through trash packs.
Sneak hit is the real star and what can cause insane damage, especially at 10/10 with full uptime, 80% CRIT rate increase and the CRIT stacking synergy of the entire archer tree in general.
more so, this build, and CRIT stacking encourge full STR build, which can result in some massive CRITs without even touching DEX.
It requires good skill and positioning during fights, but the pay off is more then worth it.
Rogue is less of a brain-less button clicking rotation and more about positioning in PvE, and it has a good reward for that.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Backstab only applies “Massive Bleeding” when the target already has Bleeding debuff. So you would need to pick up QS, Fletcher, or Hunter in order to apply the Bleeding debuff. That or you’ll just have to party with someone that can apply Bleeding.
I think the hate for Rogues is because the “thief/assassin” type class is usually good at PvP which isn’t really true in ToS. PvE wise the class seems fine.
Youre correct, only when theres a bleed already will massive bleeding from Backstab work. THeres also the issue that Massive Bleeding attribute increases backstab CD by 10 secs.
Ok i didn’t know that fact about massive bleeding.
Thing is, if people will pick Rogue, they’re only picking it for the buffs and debuffs, since Vendetta is garbage and Backstab is difficult to use and is only good with Karacha Set. Also the fact that Rogue is kind of a melee class makes it difficult to pair together with a lot of other classes. Right now, a lot of builds feature Rouge C2 going into Cannoneer, but once R8 comes out, everyone will prioritize Cannoneer’s skills to deal damage, forgetting most of the skills Rogue has.
There are many classes that are picked for C1 because they have 1 good skill to offer.
Falconer for example, its main attraction is Circle, the rest are just gimmicks and won’t get used in main rotation anyway.
Musketter is another example of it being attraction mostly due to Snipe.
Sneak hit, if utilized properly, can sky rocket the damage output.
Also considering the slow animation of enemies in the game, and how slow they turn around compared to the player’s hero, its extremely easy to utilize it, even without feint.
Also how exactly Backstab is difficult to use (PvE wise)? just a normal skill like any other, and very powerful if you have bleed synergy.
Considering with the insane CRIT stacking you can get by picking rogue, you can go Full STR, a CRIT from backstab with Full STR hits REALLY HARD, and it can hit twice.
Vendetta is a good skill if you have fletcher and is very useful when clearing trash packs, as its easy to keep the STR buff going.
Rogue C1+ Cannoner is no joke, unloading Cannoer AOE on the back of a Boss/Trash packs can result in some crazy CRITs, Rogue C1 also doesn’t limit you to melee.
And also regarading melee, sometimes its a good idea to go into point blank to “Shot gun” enemies/Bosses with Barrage, so its not a bad idea to get close.
He is talking about pvp, ofc its not dificult to land Backstabs on bosses.
Vendetta is useless in boss fights unless they summon minions which generally isnt the case. Also to be actually decent and worth the points, vendetta should go very high in skill points 10+ if not the 15 from C3, which leaves you with less points somewhere else.