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/r/MMORPG vs Tree of savior (what's wrong here?)

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#1

I don’t know why but it seem like most people on that subreddit underestimate ToS and always overhype online RPGs with flashy action combat and superior graphic. Meanwhile they complain about lack of Sociality MMO, heavy P2W,…they want MMO with flexible class system, support casters, stylized art style, old school difficult that required friends but still have solo contents,…etc… Which ToS promise to offer.

They act like ToS is just a mediocre grindfest MMO that already doomed and there is no such thing called changes or improvement.

After some kOBT scandals, when someone mention about ToS on that subreddit, this xit most likely will happen

#2

Welcome to /r/mmorpg.

This is the case for most games, and not a subreddit you should visit to learn more about games. It’s really just a place people go to occasionally find info, but most of the time it’s a nostalgia fest of bad games, and old school private servers.

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#3

I’m pretty sure every subreddit that has such an open variety of things into it is full of guys easily bough with nostalgia and that never actually reasearch the games much outside of the subreddit itself.

#4

/r/mmorpg dream mmo

the top post

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#5

A giant lobby where people gain levels by complaining about mmos
-Cadeii

It’d get kickstarted then stay in development for 8 years before finally falling apart due to creative differences and mismanagement of funds.
-Silentphantom

Probably like Frankensteins Monster. You know, sewn together from different, not fitting parts …
-Cyrotek

Sword Art Online
Only without the teen angst.
Also, most people would quit after the first month because there’d be nothing to do for anyone who wasn’t first in line to max level.
-Cheveyo

Like Tera but worse
-BuraisonFujii

A mess.
We are all far too opinionated to be objective.
-ShrimpyAdam

Literally just a photo with Legos
-Pertymoose

Alright, those are the important parts of that thread so you don’t have to read it.

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#6

What’s wrong with those comment though? We get the same feedback even from ToS players.

#7


/r/mmorpg is often negative to every mmo except to the one they have been playing. Anime mmorpg are often shunned except for FF14.

#8

Of crouse we got some similar feedbacks but we still have a lot of positive comments that show support to ToS, fresh news to show people that the game is being improve and getting better in this forum.

meanwhile most people in that subreddit just underestimate it, haters spread misinformation and negative comments, some was like “why does people overhype this grindfest sh*t, I don’t see anything special from it, the graphic is outdate 2D, ew.”…etc…most threads in /r/MMORPG are just about DBO, FFXIV, GW2, B&S and overhype western RPGs still in alpha, beta.

They want a MMORPG to take serious, to make friends like old school MMORPGs and play for years but they keep looking for flashy RPGs and play in few months then get bored and switch to others

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#9

Human’s nature. Just like how we are over-estimating ToS now.

I don’t expect any good comments apart from those who actually played to the rank 6 of icbt2 anyway. It’s just too easy to criticize ToS at this state.

Those are not misinformation, they are just spreading the information in a negative way. One familiar to the subreddit can find the information they want from the negative comment. For example, one who like grinding and 2D MMORPG will try ToS because of these comment.

#11

  • it is a grind fest, some people like it that way, some dont.

  • its a Korean game and many, including me, expect it to follow suite of any Korean game

  • no one is complaining about its being 2D, most are complaining because its ANIME

  • Everquest Next and Crowfall is what non otaku mmorpg players have been dreaming for. while most ToS players are yearning for true RO2

your thread going to be featured in a certain magical message board

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#12

ok, thanks everyone for clarity, I gonna ignore this subreddit then.

I felt so drepessed about their attitude about ToS and just want to know why

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#13

dont ignore the subreddit rather take it in another perspective

in reddit’s case it gives some insight on mmorpg as whole and not just anime/korean mmorpgs that were used too.

for example this wall of text cross-posted in /r/mmorpg gives insight why a community dies in mmorpgs

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#14

Eh, personally I don’t want to touch RO ever again even with a stick unles it’s a server with hyper inflated rates. I’m happy af that ToS is barely taking anything from RO outside of a few things here and there that at this point are basicallly common RPG/MMO things anyways.

#15

Heyas. I personally haven’t tried ToS yet due to time and not being able to get into the testing and such. But as it stands, having tested other games and such, I would say to hold your judgment until the game is out and you can see for yourself.

This is just general advice for anything in life, really. You can listen all day to the blathering of what other people say or just find out for yourself. In the end, who do you trust more? Some random person who may or may not share the same interests as you, or yourself?

So chin up, eyes ahead and just hold on a bit, yeah? I’m waiting for it to be open to all so I can decide as well.

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#16

Calm down, you are stuttering lol.

Pretty much what he said lol.

From ToS players no, from RO fans yes, at least most of them, they want this game to be the new RO, but the game is different in so many ways that they are took by surprise, and when they find themselves in front of something they wasn’t expecting, that is their reaction.

Exactly, the game is not complete, its missing lots of content, its missing balance and so on and so on.
Humans only overestimate when they think they can win over someone or something, but humans are also arrogant beings because they have capacity of “reason” (if you can call it that).

The funny thing is, when the game is completed and working as it should, at least most part, they come running back and say, ah i knew that this game would be awesome. lol

I fail on see where it is anime, i do agree the art style resemble, tho.

The true RO2 is already out, it doesn’t matter how much they call the MMO Gods or spirits, the sheet is already made.

If you gonna get pissed or depressed about every single comment you find there and here on forums also, you will get sick and eventually leave the game out of your sight, just sit and relax until the game is completed and ready for release (different from KR version).

Pretty much this ^, no reason to get shot down by what other people think or say, who form your opinion and tastes is yourself not others.

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#17

It works as it should then. Tbh no one really care about the potential of a game as every game has the potential.

#18

Being an uninformed game snob seems to be the fashionable thing as of late. Know a MOBA snob does the same thing every day… Listens to what a vocal few qq then just repeats it while playing the game every day.

And it’s always complaints about stuff he never has to deal with. He’s not top 3% he’s not even top 5% and he’s qq’ing about things that only the top 1% have to deal with when they’re fighting as a 5 man group.

I think there are just some people that can’t go through a day without being a bitchy asshat. And see complaining about games is something that’s socially acceptable. Because it is something we need to do when developers screw up. But people a lot of the time are just using it as an excuse to be spew their negativity. It becomes not about their experience anymore and just them wanting to project.

But people like that… I don’t think their social lives last long. I know I’m to old to deal with people like that anymore. It’s like teenage angst but it’s coming from 30 year old neck beards.

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#19

And there is where lies the problems, humans have this thing of get comfortable with one kind of thing, and when someone try to show something new, they start to complain for the most stupid stuff.

@Raspy I know where you are coming from, i had to deal with that crap every single day when i had my computer parts shop, not that every single one where like that, some came with real complains, but some come saying that the other shop make cheaper or finish faster, well, if you want cheaper or faster why you came to me? Just don’t complain later if the service was half-assed, which was 70% of the cases.

I had to quote this on all crying posts that come lol, its a jewel lost in a sea of crap.

#20

No one know the future, that’s why most will invest in the game that can attract them immediately, instead of those with potential to become good. I would say that’s an efficient way of living.

The sad thing is there are many rip off computer part shop which actually give you the real price after those sentence. I have a few friends that really raise the price high, that’s why I knew.

#21

Hello! I’m a pretty heavy Reddit user and I frequent /r/MMORPG daily and let me tell you, that place is the most pessimistic, depressing and negative subreddit I’m subscribed to. They complain about everything! The entire subreddit’s population is just a bunch of burnt out MMO gamers who hate everything and long for their first ‘virginity’ MMO to come back once more.

Over time, I’ve noticed that /r/MMORPG can often be xenophobic and pseudo-racist in more ways that one and I attribute their negativity towards ToS (and other non-western MMOs) being purely because of that. That it’s an Asian/Korean non-western game. It’s not just ToS. They just call every Asian MMO “a shitty Asian grindfest”. (Except for FF14 which I will get on to later)

I kid you not, one time, someone on there said they will never touch Black Desert because it’s a ‘Korean game’, not because they didn’t like it, …but because it was Korean/Asian. Another one said something along the lines of ‘Black Desert is vapid, even for a Korean game’… I do not know where these people come from. I understand Western gamers prefer different things to Asian gamers but this kind of Western elitism I often see there is sickening at times. No Western MMO, no matter how shitty it is will get that kind of treatment, but if it’s non-western, oh boy! I’ve played plenty of Western MMOs that I didn’t like but never once did I ever think of saying something like ‘This game is vapid, even for a Western game’ and I say that as someone who is neither from Asia nor the West.

It is reminiscent of the kind of hate/borderline xenophobia I see towards JRPGs on RPG forums which I also got fed up with. Hate not because they didn’t like the game but because it’s a ‘JRPG’.

Now, you might be wondering why FFXIV, an Asian Japanese game, gets a lot of love over there Well, I’d say that’s because (and I mean no offence to FF14 fans) it’s designed to be just like WoW, just like how Western gamers tend to prefer their MMOs. To be a raid-centered themepark.

Another reason why you can sometimes see them being very negative towards ToS is because ToS is very grindy and /r/MMORPG does not like any kind of grinding, Period. They prefer to grind raids and dungeon stuff. As a RuneScape (very very grindy game) veteran, I enjoy grinding with friends and the strongest bonds I have formed was when grinding with other people.

They always talk about social interaction being gone in modern MMOs and want the good old days of old-school MMOs where players would interact with each other and talk instead of being stuck, each in their own little bubble. Well, I have found that MMO in ToS and I truly do interact and socialize with other players all the time in it which is something I really missed after moving on from RS, to one MMO after the other where no one seems to talk at all.

I advise you not to bother going to that subreddit to get any kind of serious insight. I just go there for laughs

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