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Questions on Fencer and Item Transcendence

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

With the upcoming Item Transcendence, weapons with high base damage would gain massive from this (most notably 2hand weapons). As most of us agree that Venier is the best weapon for Fencers right now, would let’s say a Magas or Catacombs Rapier that has undergone Transcendence outdps a Venier that has also undergone Transcendence? Would the missing level 2 skills + holy attack compensate for the gains that a Transcendence would provide?

what are your thoughts on this? I’m not that bad at math but I am bad at comparison, since I usually miss out some pretty important details. :joy:

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#2

I suggest you married with a dragoon first or let your girlfriend number 1 play dragoon and girlfrend number 2 play chrono for future dps :scream:
i am not good in fencer btw :blush:

#3

please stay on topic. trying to get info’s on comparison between weapons, not party composition or the buffs that come with it.

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#4

we’ll see after it gets implemented, but I like spada more than cata rapier. don’t need that 1 aoe ratio since i got a headgear with aoe atk ratio already

#5

oh yeah, totally forgot about Spada, is it already implemented? any infos on where to get it?

#6

280 world bosses, one of those in Kalejimas iirc

#7

alright. thanks! planning to make another Fencer, but I’m holding out until details on the skills are revealed.

#8

Since we are so close for rank 8, i believe that once you have enough mats to do the enchant, the rank8 would already be here, since at first we will get the system without the enhance drop rate i believe.
so the discussion with current rapier is not worth to mention right now, but since you are asking, i believe that enchant can go up to 80% at max last time i saw, please correct me if i’m wrong.

now let’s go to the math: first both cases venier, and the other rapier have the same damage bonus from enchant so there is only the need to compare both rapier at +0 because since we are talking about % the atk gain with enchant would be the same in both cases.

so with the current venier with cata rapier.
we would have 242 damage with cata rapier , with a bonus of 80% would be 193,6 bonus damage from the system + +151.

venier gives 2 skill lvl for each skill
i will use lunge because is a middle ground in damage scaling on the tooltip.
sept gain far less and flanconnade/composee a lot more.
lunge with 10 levels 935
lunge with 12 levels close to 1080 difference = 145.

so by the end of it the cata rapier would have more RAW atk and other stats like atk ratio than venier but this damage would be at 193,6 at max without the use of the skill level difference so on overall performance venier still wins in damage :
first venier would have 286 holy damage
second: each skill tooltip would decrease the 194 value even more, lunge being the middle ground like i have before, so cata rapier would have 49+151 more raw atk with lunge
now if we take everything in context the problem real question would be:
you prefer 194+151 atk plus 1 aoe atk ratio or 286 holy damage and 2 to all skill level. at least for me venier is still far better since it needs far less effort and the money you would use with the new system you could use with enchant and of course skills from rank3, with the new stance from fencer venier could possibility be the best weapon for fencer for a long time, until a new one with +skill comes along like the one from ET. , but let’s not forget again that if you farm enough mats to make it go to max lvl (80%), we would already be at rank 8 with news rapiers and so on since it takes a long time for that, the only SS i saw with the higher lvl so far was 60%.

#9

hmmm. what if we factor in crits? does crit factor in the holy damage along with the raw damage? or does it just factor raw damage then adds the holy damage, like the same way it factors in crit atk.

#10

the holy damage would enter before the critical multiplier, so it would count the 286 the only stats that enter later on the math and is a flat number is critical atk.
and i have edited my previous post with a new information but i will write it here again.
with the new stances from rank 3 fencer it seems to be so game changing that venier will be stuck as the better available rapier for a very long time, until new rapiers with + skill comes along like the one from ET.
on a side note go check the rapier from ET, that one that makes venier run , because that rapier is by far the strongest one hand weapon i have seen, the damage and status is very close from spears (bonus to large and so on) but still have the 2 skill level.
the one hand spear from et, is very strong as well but for me the rapier is better since it haves 2 skill level to.

#11

Assuming I got these numbers right (base damage of weapon * 1.8), with my gear and unupgraded 80% transcendence for attaque composee
Cata rapier: http://i.imgur.com/1MSC45k.png
Venier: http://i.imgur.com/s5xYAjs.png

#12

i believe is very correct, since like the maths i have done, the damage with max level system would only be 345 atk, and with venier we have the 286 holy plus the tooltip damage from +2 levels so it would be better with most skills from fencer, the only one i can see it losing a little is sept because it have a bad scaling damage for 2 level only, but still i doubt that would lose by a number that makes difference.
on a side note, which skill did you choose to do the math?

#13

Attaque composee at level 1 (3 with venier)