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Quarrel shooter and pyromancer are pure garbage now

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#1

quarrel shooter:

when running was with 30% attack speed you had the possibility to choose between str and dex and you could be able to have a decent attack speed after this patch you are forced to use dex point while you others class like wugushi are weaker, dex is horrible now.

if you are not a falconer c3 you don´t have any reason to take a quarrel shooter, bring back the old dex the old running shoot this is pure garbage.

pyromancer:

pyromancer was a strong and they needed a nerf i get it but what is the point of fireball now, IT´S horrible and sorry if you support this you like garbage pyromancer being strong was very important to farm solo with limited classes like an alchemist you were able to do almost everything solo when you were trying to get your alchemist c3, now you are forced to take cryomancer or people won´t give you party.

i don´t even have enough time to duplicate these ugly fireballs with a sage they just explode, this is stupid, what is the point of sage he is suppose to be damage dealer with utility and you can´t even duplicate decently xD.

once again IMC just support meta builds like wizzard C3-elememeC3-WL. or cryomancer-chronomancer in the wizzard tree

i will just going to make a cleric since they are good with any build in any place.

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#2

Quarrel Shooter is a pretty nice DLC for Cannoneers
I hit around 60-100k per line on bazooka, now adding along with Running Shot, it gives me around 200-250k per auto attack in Bazooka

#3

bazooka and running shoot is still a thing but what for what else you are suppose to take a quarrel shooter is just to falconer now and bazooka mode, i used to have a nice quarrel shooter with decent attack speed and wugushi with full str.

before the patch i was able to make quarrer shooter c3 and combine with the most classes and be really good even with sapper c3 ,i feel a garbage even with decent weapon like a didel, i just tested archer c2 and sapper c3/wugushi with full str and can deal much better damage while i am able to move, there are still some few good reason to take a quarrel shooter but any reason to take pyro

#4

Yeah, QS is kinda locked into those two, Cannon and Falc.
No idea how to build a pyro now though, I just have a pyro alch left.

#5

JP -> HK -> Fireball+Flare = lots of exp
SLA -> SRA -> gather some mobs -> SB -> Fireball+Flare or Firepole+Flame = lots of exp

No problem with Pyro2 so far. It has less dammage now but enough to level your Pyro, if you are able to adapt the new playing style.

#6

So you are saying that Pyromancer now relies more on Flare? :thinking:

I haven’t tested my Pyro 3 past the rework but my Enchanter, that has Pyro 1 in the build, does a fair amount of damage with Pyro skills capped at lv5 alongside JP.

#7

the problem with fireball is first it takes time to invoke them, i´m trying to use them with sage because like you know they promoted sage like damage dealer and really good with pyro, you can´t even have enough time to duplicate them,

late game with pyro2 is horrible, they are fine in early game, they could make fire able to deal 3-4 hits slowly so i could be able to duplicate them with sage in a team fight or dungeon, also they could make igny stronger while making the lv restrintion to lv 270-330 xD

i tested pyro2-elementalistc3-wc1-sage since we have reset for free, i bought an elementalist attribute when i make damage with fire skills it gives a kind of explosion, even like that i deal really bad damage with pyro and sage combos compared with the rest of my classes

#8

Pyro Sage combo is dead, I can confirm that. Unless, you are in a situation to set up many Fireball “bombs” before the mobs spawn and come at you (like in some quests, e.g). This doesn’t bring much to the table though.

Other combos with Pyro still work tho. I really dearly miss my former Pyro3Chrono3Sage as well, but it’s time to find something else to stick with I guess.

#9

[quote=“Anarth, post:6, topic:361815”]
So you are saying that Pyromancer now relies more on Flare? :thinking:[/quote]
Because Flare is a skill with a condition I wouldn’t say it relies on, but to can use to deal neat damage if the condition is fulfilled. Pyro was nerfed by nerfing Fireball and Agny but it is no garbage.

#10

jesus yeah pyro3-chrono3-sage you were able to do alot things solo but also support your friends and they were really fun, they killed this build now we back in the same monotony wiyh cryo3-chrono3-sage

ice wall+ice blast is better than any pyro combo you milk bosses, today is my last reset but after testing pyro with almost anything i won´t take it for that i am sure.

#11

You have a pyro, yes?

What level did you get your flare to?

#12

they killed the fireball tho before it was pain to duplicate them then the swordie was pushing them to the oblivion xD

now i can´t even duplicate them because they explote before i am able to use micro dimension, i feel even more trolled than before with this class.

they nerfed the fireball because with linker they were a beast i understand that but i still see shinobis killing bosses in seconds like them xD

#13

[quote=“Anarth, post:11, topic:361815, full:true”]
You have a pyro, yes?

What level did you get your flare to?[/quote]
No, I have a wizard1 right now, was reseted several time due to the event. I have tested different level of Flare.

#14

I’d still take Pyro in my main build tho. Apparently Pyro2Thau3WL2 is working pretty well to me. Thauma’s buffs do a wonderful job to fill in the dmg that Pyro’s missing imo. Although it can’t be compared with Elememe’s dmg, I find this build fun and flexible enough - you can have sustainable solo dmg and still be highly wanted in every pt.

#15

QS C3 SR C3 here. I still find other skill of QS useful for both PVE and PVP like stone shot and caltrops for those pesky running clerics. Although the new DEX format and damage calculation is quite bugged for Running shot probably because of attackspeed limits :confused:

#16

Why not try pyro3 chrono3 enchanter. You got them enchant buffs going on with that nice attack speed too. Feels like a fun build to play imo. (Another strong build is pyro 3 thauma 3 enchanter)

#17

The thing that happen with Pyro Fireball is a change in good direction, just exactly samething with Krivis zaibas, I’m sorry that your favorite skills got neft but it is pretty bad game design that a 2nd Circle skill is Top DPS skill on the list for the whole 300 level progression.

Pyro still deal very good damage playing right, just no more fireball cheesy play (cant say the same thing for krivis though, they probably get a buff in the future)

Back to the case of Meta build such as W3Ele3Lock and Cryo3Chrono3, why they are pretty much untouched ? the simple reason is these 2 builds are perfect in the sense of what game design strive for… 1 is the ultimate mage DPS without any real defensive or support skill and the other is the ultimate mage support with shitty DPS, the 2 polars of build, any other builds are a mixed of dps/support/ultility

IMC does not neft/buff a class because it is popular/unpopular, they look at the game as a whole and how classes synergy to decide on the change. While they are not always right, this is going in a good direction.

#18

Pyro 3 Thauma 3 Enchanter 1 is a really good buffer build. I went with full SPR for full support. With my 558 SPR, my support for my party is:

Reflect Shield - 603 damage reduction
Enchant Fire - 720 damage
Enchant Lightning - 802 damage
Swell Left Arm - 1428 magic/physical attack

I always use swell brain first before other buffs. You do have to carry Daino scroll though. And I picked SPR instead of INT to fill the void of Missile Hole. It is only 4 hits, but the reduction is pretty good even at 330.

#19

pyro was op i get it but they overnerfed it, the fireball doesn’t make sense now they were suppose to be very proud when they were showing us the sage+fire ball combo with sage we don’t even have enough time to duplicate that garbage tho.

still pyro was less strong than those shinobi, you were taking your time making your fireball to be ready while they are still able to kill bosses in seconds, when IMC touch something to nerf it they usually destroy it, i remenber how fun were corsair in alpha test even able to invoke monsters.

not sure what you guys find fun to buff yourself instead making combos with actives skills, i find enchanter and thauma very boring and i wonder what alchemist are suppose to take now to farm and lv up solo i guess cryoc3 it has been well supported since alpha, everything is good with cryo

edit yeah i was right:

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those ice wall with Psychic Pressure or ice blast you are able to kill and give support, since sages are pure garbage and i am boring of elememes metas and i don’t like buffers class eithers i guess i will sell potions like a slave

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#20

It’s almost like they want you to use your other damage skills together with fire ball :thinking:

By the way, shrink body and joint penalty are active skills.