I’m always wondering, can anyone tell me why Pyro scaling is bad even tho Pyro have a lot of Multi-hit spell.
Level 158 at the moment, and I went pyro3 before getting wiz3 to make sure I would like the skills. Its been pretty easy so far, but I typically play solo when questing, and with 1 or 2 friends when I’m running dungeons and missions. Not going to lie: there will be times when you get annoyed if you solo queue dungeons and get in groups with mostly melee, as they will knock your fireballs away over and over again. It’s usually players that aren’t used to running with pyro, they tend to go crazy on hitting your fireballs, sometimes just for the sake of hitting them.
What I usually do is stand across from the melee party members and knock the fireballs back in, but I can see how that can be annoying for some players. Sometimes I ask cleric classes to not attack targets that my fireballs is hitting, as they are typically super weak compared to my fireball damage (from my experiences so far), so they are making the run take longer by knocking away them away. This can go badly of course, as some people don’t like being told what to do, which is why I usually do dungeons and missions with my buddies.
I think you have to ask yourself “will I be ok with fireball management throughout the game?” before considering pyro, because that’s what you will be doing once firewall/flame pillar/flame ground/hellbreath are all on cooldown. Fireball management will likely not be as demanding if I end up getting linker, but that won’t be for awhile, and that’s even if I get it at all.
Also, I have several other wiz builds that I’m leveling, so I wouldn’t mind leaving this char at rank 6 until more info is released for later classes if I decide to go that route.
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Its about more than multi hit. Flame Ground has a slow tick speed, Firewall a lengthy cd. Plus pyro builds usually don’t benefit from Quick Cast due to ele being the superior choice for specialized dps.
All the more reason to bring some kind of support or utility element into the equation. Pyro is qualified to play the nuke at rank 3 or 4. By 200, the additive bonus of skill damage hardly applies. Always throw that Flame Ground on someone else’s Frost Cloud and it’ll feel better.
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if you only compare flame ground to frost cloud then ya, frost cloud win by mile ;D.
but pyro also have Fireball which has 15 second CD and 2 overheat.
so you can cast 4 ball before frost cloud come off CD.
Fire ball plus ground shouldn’t lose to Frost cloud (with NO quick cast buff)
and assume that all the tick hit the target. (60 ticks from ball and 15+ from flame ground.)
The really challenge is that u need the target to stay still for 17-20 sec and no1 knock fire ball away. which is really difficult T_T
Quick cast attribute benefit every atk spell. so Pyro should get the affect too.
currently I’m Pyro3 at 248, never have any problem solo or group grind in Alemeth or Eva.
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Flame Ground itself can compete with Frost Cloud over time.
Its just that for “burst” Frost Cloud does all of its hits in 10 seconds.
Level 15 Flame Ground takes 30 seconds to do all of its hits.
This is fine for stationary world bosses but not practical for everything else that is going to die well before that, or move.
Remember this thread
There are inaccuracies but the general trend is mostly there.
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A bit off topic, but if fire balls hit by melee attacks had the same effect as when they are hit by PP, then I wouldn’t mind so much if other players hit them.
The thing you need to accept 1st is that pyro is more for solo play. Got to work extra hard if you wanna pyro in party play. That said, here are some non cookie cutter builds that sorta work with pyro.
Kino 2 (or 3)
- [psychic pressure] has a combo with [fireball]. It’s hard to pull off since [pp] pushes [fb] away but it can be done by a wall.
- [magnetic force] is amazing control. It helps to keep monsters in place for your aoe’s to do their work. It’s basically a pre nerf [hangman’s knot] without [joint penalty].
Cryo 3
- [snow rolling] allows you to hit monsters with [fireball] even with melee around. [sr] can carry your [fb] turning you into a walking flaming snow ball.
- Your 2 pillar skills work with each other. [frost pillar] pulls and prevents monster action but deals no damage. [fire pillar] prevents monster action and deals damage.
Ele 1
Ele 1 has an attribute that causes an explosion when an enemy you killed died via fire damage. How good it actually is, I don’t know. It’s something.
This next bit is more on hoping we get the changes to priests. [blessing] is getting INT (2%) and SPR (6%) scaling with rumors that [sacrament] is getting the same treatment. Here’s to hoping [enchant fire] gets the same treatment too.
If [enchant fire] gets SPR scaling too, you can build around that and [reflect shield]. Many people underestimate being able to reduce damage by 100-200.
If the damage from [enchant fire] becomes significant, you can build around that with chrono for a wizard’s version of an AA character.
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True however you don’t see many wiz3>pyro3 around exactly because its not optimal for that setup.
I play pyro3 with Pass in use. Very fun, great on bosses, yet no matter how many fireballs you make the story is the same there lol
Wiz3 pyro3 would work if Fireball stay in place T_T.
Pyro3 by itself have too many short coming >< (given it a Rank 2 class)
The thing is with pyro you want more control, that running around is fun for a few moments but not effective to kill stuff with. He has wiz3 so he can do more fire dmg ( 50% ) and casts hell breath without interruption. But the thing is he always has to run around and has zero cc to pull archers or ranged into aoe’s. also hellfire is his only rooting ultility.
If he would have dropped wiz2/3 and get 2x linker, he would have done a lot more dmg with his fire wall ( weird choose to pick for the build he uses tho ). but also more control over ranged monsters. Also because of the stun and fire pillar hell breath is going to be a simple cast anyway. There really is no point for him to go wiz3 in my opinion.
What you really want is cc and control, pyro will do dmg over time without issue’s.
I don’t even kick around fire balls. i throw them under a boss / monsters and if they like it to kick them out of there. then the party can blame him / her for being a bad player. If they want to do reduced dmg and decide its interesting, there issue not yours. I provide the dmg setup, there choice to see how they wanna apply it. ( its the same with my elemental, dropping frost cloud + hail and pull the monsters/ boss out? yea) yea not my issue.
But then i got a cryo build, so i can soak my balls up and roll them on a boss for enough time to make it all proc to the end.
I currently run a cryo / pyro ( both rank 3 ) and i must say it’s a perfect match for eachother. Massive cc, a way to pull monsters in, and root monsters. Loads of way to dmg flying monsters, also really useful for dungeons ( endless amounts of cc ) and easy way to do dmg.
It also gives you 2 elements which makes it easier, as the moment a monster is resistance to fire you move to ice.
Ice spike is extremely strong, you can nail monsters for 10 sec on aoe bases in your aoe without issue’s. 17 sec fire pillar, 10 sec ice tree, 8 sec snow rolling, perm aoe freeze through ice bolt and then you got ice wall on top of it to nail group of monsters down again.
Perfect match for pyro in my opinion. so much ways to nail monsters on the ground and push them into your aoe.
I also really like snow ball + fire balls in them. Makes your snow ball a death ball :D. 4x 37k dmg dealing balls that hit 2 targets each is a massacre.
I do use ignition rod heavily refined, which makes all my skills thrown burn on targets instead of just fireball ( makes the cast quicker )
“If he would have dropped wiz2/3 and get 2x linker, he would have done a lot more dmg with his fire wall ( weird choose to pick for the build he uses tho )”
That’s why I did recommend linker with wiz 3 as well.
“What you really want is cc and control, pyro will do dmg over time without issue’s.”
Yes it will do damage over time, but the thing is, you will die first because of the lack of damage.
Yeah, as of now I crave control on my Pyro more than anything; especially since my other 2 wizard builds are Cryo and Kino build variants (I’m a bit spoiled when it comes to CC). This is why I’m leaning towards at least 1 rank of Linker in the future, but like I said originally: I need more info on Rank 8 to know for sure where I want to go with this build.
Edit: Forgot to mention how insane the buffed Blessing is going to be as well. I normally run with a Priest buddy, so this is something we’re both really looking forward to.
Crying already 