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PvP cata-goon build

With the official introduction of the new Guardian nerf/buff (to me it’s 100% a nerf though) this makes it the second time this build has been nerfed since conceptualization.

The first nerf is when they added block penetration to STR. (Thus making the block part of this build less reliable/effective)
The second nerf is when they make guardian give 14% PATK reduction.

But thinking from another angle, the reason they are nerfing these things means they were too overpowered to begin with (which means the original concept of the build is very effective), and IF they are underpowered now then they will be adjusted in the future.

Well to be fair, also buffed a couple of times (even though the buffs are global buffs meaning they apply to almost every swordsman). The restrain buff giving it from 20% to 30% stun chance. The STR scaling patch giving it more PATK per point. The block penetration from STR is a buff vs CON mages. And the concentrate buff is very appreciated.

So I guess in the end, you just play what you want to play. I’m still pretty happy with this build’s overall performance in PvE and PvP so far.

Any adjustments to GungHo will tip the scales though…any buff to GungHo is basically another nerf to Guardian cuz you can only use 1 at a time. Really really interested on how gungho gets adjusted.

The lesson of the story is just to play whatever you like, and not what’s “OP” at the time. Any OP build is subject to rebalance in the future and will basically force you to reroll if you are only interested in being OP.

Ow so there is discussion about this build. This is exactly my build too. For tbl. Tbh though
I wish I would have gone to hop rather than dragoon. Just for the sake of using zega spear one hand . I really wanted a shield catagoon. But two handed spears are more superior in tbl than one hand for catagoons… switching to shield mode while rush cd saves me alot in tbl .I blocked rush. Cyclones.caanoons. then switched to two hand and kill them with rush. Needs fast switching though

Hoplite is weak, I’d much rather have sw2 than hoplite tbh. But hoplite is more PvE focused I guess.

As for hoplite vs dragoon, lol dragoon hands down.

Sw3 vs pelt is the real argument with all dah nerfs to pelt/block. Very good argument can be made for sw3 instead of pelt now.

Hop1 has only 2 purposes:

  • Finiestra for 50crit and some block (hoping they buff this one SOON)
  • Stabbing for dps/boss hunts.

Now i wish i had taken sw2-pelt instead (’'μ_μ) that’s 30% stun and some buff from concentrate I’ll never get, since not taking dragoon would cripple me for PvE.

SW2 is good build now SW3 is a waste IMO and take a pelt instead.

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I am fine with my build now. Coz gears work in tbl now. So brandish. Shieleded catagoon ftw

Having 36% restrain is all I need. I am using seedmia gem btw. So what is superior now 10 gunho or concentrate? Coz I got 5 concen 10 gunho now.

Somewhere along with this.

No gunho? Hmm. Lvl 5 gunho is a waste anyway. Bash has kd.

Played a bit just now. Some thoughts:

Restrain is actually good now at lv5. I stun a lot even with auto attacks. It almost feels like a stun lock and i see they get slowed as well.

Concentrate buff is cool. My conc gives me 172+ at lv140,roughly. It is also always up.

Guardian i only use it when i need it now even tho its only at lv1. U can feel the atk reduce.

U can feed companion in mission now. Very cool.

Cata still fun.

Am I the only one here who’s taking Gung Ho over Concentrate? Call me crazy or noob, but there’s a good reason why.

The new Concentrate didn’t seem to change things much for me.

I use Gung Ho situationally in PVP though, especially in TBL, as that extra pDef is more valuable than having more damage (we don’t have 1HKOs anyways). Concentrate might be more useful in these situations. If there are no p.Atk classes in the opposing team (e.g. all wiz/cleric), Gung Ho’s good.

PVE, Gung Ho’s just good all-around unless you need that extra pDef to handle mobs a number of levels above you.

It is different when u dont have pelt so u dont have access to guardian. U can only have either guardian or gungho up at a time. I still need guardian cuz it lets me evade like 80% and gungho still sucks…

Only time i dont have guardian up is if i can 1hko or if i already reach eva cap w/o it.

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Yeah, it doesn’t really synergize with pelt so that’s an exception. Thanks for the insight.

Seriously though I really dont use guardian ever even I have it at level 5… I really hate when my damage is reduced… I might use it more often if it is emergency survival mode.like 5 vs 1 lol

I wouldn’t use it either if it was level 5 lol. That would reduce way too much damage.

Level 1 is actually the best for DPS builds.

60% stun is a lot better than 30%, and lvl 15 concentrate is pretty strong.
That ofc if you want to pvp, if you want to pve i guess sword 2 is fine
but if you think you gonna win duels by having less dps, less stun chance, less concentrate damage and 1 less really good damage skill (double slash is really good)
then go ahead
concentrate lvl 15 gives me +300, (which is greaat )

You win duels with the evasion and block against other physical.

Against STR builds I’m pretty sure I can pull at least 80% evasion rate. Against dex builds I would still be able to block almost every hit.

Obv those are not effective against wiz/cleric though.

thats a big lie
lvl 15 concentrate can be uptimed because of the number of hits
and its much better than gung ho.
(unless they change gung ho to %ofc) in which case skill resets are available

Yeah stop competing with other and focus on the real enemies…

But still I still prefer 1900 block or 400 passive block. 25% hp .taunt and emergency 17% defence increase. Rather than

30% stun . 100 patk concen. 5 sec barrier. Another atk skill?

Both are good. And equally needed…though

I think they are supposed to be equally good. Sw3 and pelt I mean. Just IMC can’t really balance. So everyone picked pelt instead of Sw3 and thats why pelt got nerfed.

if people all choose sw3 now either sw3 will be nerfed or pelt will be buffed.

Haha they dont know the reason why most go pelt 1 is because they can atleast be accepted in parties when they reach 220 level above …lel as in lel imc