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Powerleveling in ToS

General Discussion
#1

So i was grinding at Royal Masoleum Worker’s Lodge with my new Swordsman and after jumping from channels i’ve found a party of 1 Lvl 280 leveling a bunch of lvl 60±, the lvl 280 was activating the Device and killing the monsters wave after wave and the low lvl players just stood around gaining exp, which they shouldn’t because of the exp penalty in the game.

Now let me exaplin why i have a 226 in my party; Firstly i was soloing this room by myself, then i found DeathWalk and he invited me to a party, we started grinding together for a few minutes(just the two of us), then a high level wizard came in and DeathWalk invited that guy to the party, when i started recording the video i think he left the map.

I was NOT being powerleveled by Baruimba, i don’t even know who that is, i don’t have him in my friendslist, obviously i wouldn’t be making this thread if i were.

Here’s the video: https://youtu.be/1eZdsopI17I

I did not intend to have Sodapoppin’s streaming audio in the background, i usually listen to stream while playing ToS, i didn’t think it would record twitch’s audio aswell.

Translation

igor_lavor(me): there’s no power level in this game, especially not in this level.

Enzostz: oh look, there goes another level

Pimpolha: It’s great for me XD

Enzostz: and here comes another level

igor_lavor: just gonna film and report to IMC, it shouldn’t be giving experience

KizaruKunn(the lvl 280): lmao

igor_lavor: If it’s giving experience, then it’s a bug

KizaruKunn: all mobs give experience son

igor_lavor: There’s a level penalty

KizaruKunn: What are you smoking?(or more appropriately, What’cha smokin?)

Pimpolha: Well, it’s not our fault if it works o.o

KizaruKunn: The penalty isn’t 100%, retard

Pimpolha: There is(penalty), but there are so many monsters in here that it works.

igor_lavor(responding to Pimpolha’s last message about it not being their fault): Of course not, but someone should let them know(IMC) that this is happening.

Enzostz: You’ll always get 50% of the experience at whichever map you go to.

Pimpolha: Then go ahead xd

Pimpolha: Good luck xD

igor_lavor: It’s a % of experience penalty for each 5 levels of difference

KizaruKunn: They(IMC) don’t even respond about the exploits, they aren’t going to bother responding to your ticket about mob experience… good luck

Pimpolha: You should stop crying and try catching a pt afterwards dude(i was in a pt with that level 66 Wizard beforehand)

igor_lavor: Continueing to receive sufficient experience for leveling up with a 220 levels of difference is a bug

Enzostz: Never has been

KizaruKunn: 220 levels? LOL(as i showed in the video, KizaruKunn is level 280 and the other party members were around lvl 70)

KizaruKunn: You’re high

igor_lavor: So you’re not level 280 and the other guys are not level 70 more or less?

KizaruKunn: I’m not the one leveling

Pimpolha: Are you okay?

Pimpolha: He’s killing and we’re the ones leveling xD

Misso: This is warlock’s world, there’ll be 2 walking around that will give good experience aswell(i honestly didn’t understand what he meant by this)

igor_lavor: Exactly, you should not be getting that much experience

Enzostz: Whatever map you go to, there will be a Warlock powerleveling.

Misso: Dilma’s(Former Brazilian president) fault right

Pimpolha: Well stop crying and try getting a party for you too(basically telling me to get a Warlock to powerlevel me), it’s good.

igor_lavor: Because there’s a experience penalty when you kill a monster whose lower level than yours.

Enzostz: There has never been an Exp Penalty for group in this game.

igor_lavor: There has always been one

Enzostz: This isn’t Ragnarok(RO) dude

Rotty: He’s confusing both games, relax

After that they jumped to another channel.

Exp Penalty

For those of you who don’t know, an Exp Penalty is applied when you defeat a monster whose 5 levels above/lower than your character, if you defeat a monster 24 levels above/lower than your character you shouldn’t get any EXP from that monster.

Here’s a link that talks about exp penalty in more detail:
http://toswiki.treeofsaviorgame.com/mechanic/experience

So theoretically, if you’re lvl 60 and you’re partying with a lvl 280 you should not get any exp from monsters killed by the lvl 280 character, but that was not happening in this case, the people i were talking to confirmed that they were in fact receiving a good amount of EXP from those monsters killed by the level 280 and did not believe there was an EXP Penalty system in ToS.

Conclusion

I’ve heard rumours that guilds were Powerleveling at Bee farm but this was the first time i saw Powerleveling taking place, the only conclusion i can take from this is that the Party sharing experience is bugged, instead of sharing the experience the “killer”(the person who is killing the monsters) receives, which was 0 in that case, it’s sharing the exp the other party members would receive from those monsters.

Maybe this is only happening at that specific “field quest”, though i don’t believe that’s the case since i’ve heard of a lot of people powerleveling at different locations.

After what the Savior Pimpolha said in the highlighted text, i can only assume this is a well known practice and pretty much everyone is doing it which is why i’m posting it here. I’ve also sent a ticket but who knows when IMC is going to answer it.

Disclaimer: English isn’t my native language, though i think i did a pretty good job at translating the conversation, no one is perfect so please feel free to correct any grammatical errors and misstranslations.

@STAFF_Ethan , @STAFF_Ines , @STAFF_Amy , @STAFF_Max , @STAFF_John

This may fall into the “Don’t report it, you’re only making things worse” situation so untill i get a response from the staff i’ll keep the topic.

[HACK] Players themselves are destroying this game
#2

This is intentional. It was changed when people complained about not being able to party with someone who was even 10 levels above them because it destroyed any chance of gaining EXP. The EXP is distributed to players before the level calculation applies, so the high level player is getting no EXP but the lower level ones are. This has been a known method of grinding low level characters for a while now, even before people started AFKing parties with a necromancer in bee farm.

Also, the EXP penalty for higher level mobs caps at a 20% reduction, so you can even take low level players to higher level grind zones that are easily accessible from low level maps, like Alemeth, and powerlevel them there.

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#3

As far from experience and i think it is the right part to it, you can Plvl as long as the ones being plvled are in the ±10 Lv range, who receive penalty in this case is the high Lv char, even not in a party the penalty still there due to the EXP base on that monster Lv.

I level lots of alts for testing and what not, and when i have help from my friend with her Musk 260+, depending on the area, i get some nice experience.

On a full party, 1 high Lv and the rest to be plvled the exp might be better than in a party of 2 due to the bonus.

And yes, the party quest sharing is kind buggy.

#4

This is intentional. It was changed when people complained about not being able to party with someone who was even 10 levels above them because it destroyed any chance of gaining EXP.

This makes no sense, why are the players getting experience from someone who’s 220 levels higher than them?. I can understand the 10 level range but 200 levels?

This makes the whole Exp Penatly system completely useless.

I don’t believe the developers intended to have Powerleveling in their game, especially after creating the Exp Penalty system.

#5

You just noticed this now? People have been grinding apparitions since the game came out, I guess. Yeah you get less experience, but people aren’t going to make more characters and keep grinding the same quest, if there’s an easier alternative. The guy giving the xp is gaining silver/loot. The guys leeching are gaining xp. I see nothing wrong here.

#6

Powerleveling is one of the worst things a MMO could have, which is why every single MMO has a system to prevent it

  1. It enforces RMT.
    People are obviously going to charge money for a powerlevel, like if it weren’t bad enough having to pvp against 100mil equip players(i know we have legit ones) they are also don’t need to spend time leveling their characters.

  2. It affects the gameplay of legit players
    Good example is the video right there, i can’t compete against lvl 280 warlocks for grinding spots, what am i supposed to do? Just give up and let this bullshit continue?

  3. Makes low level content even more stale and boring

Lower number of players doing dungeons or grinding maps legitimately.

There are so many bad consequences that Powerleveling brings to the game, i can’t believe the community is fine with this bs.

Who cares right? Lets just put all our efforts into “The game is dying”, “I’m sorry to say this but i quit” threads.

Disclailer: I’m writing this on my phone at 2 am, i’ll format it better after i wake up.

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#7

This has been present for awhile now, and as stated above, was specifically changed to this after enough people complained about no EXP when partied with high levels. I’m not a fan of power-leveling either, but thanks to the EXP scaling of mobs and EXP Table in this game, combined with most Quests still needing to be completed because EXP cards > Grinding, it’s not an issue (Or a bug).

And for your 3 points in your last post:

  1. RMT Leveling services will usually either do your quest storyline for you, or run your account as one of their Bots. There are a very limited number of grinding maps in the game prior to Alemeth Forest, and there’s a maximum range your character can be from the killed mobs in order to gain EXP, which is a problem since proper PLvling will require the “leech” to stay near the “feeder” in all grinding maps past that Royal Mauso one.

  2. You shouldn’t even need to grind until Lv15X. I often PLvl people there around my own level and far under it (With a Lv160 chara) and there’s never been the situation you’re exampling happening there on all channels, so you’re fine.

  3. Technically it doesn’t, since the people leeching off the high level in your experience aren’t actually doing low-level content-- they’re just chatting and alt-tabbing. They’re still gonna have to go do those Quests around/underneath their level after they’re finished in there, and 90 dungeon since it gives good EXP assuming they’re not closing in on Lv105 after their Mausoleum Session is done + Arde Dagger.

Daijobu

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#8

Even if there is a way to prevent the powerleveling from happening, it’s not going to stop people. Sounds like you are slightly disgruntled because that guy didn’t invite you to his party, then complained that it isn’t fair that a high lvl is doing this. Well, guess what, this is an MMORPG. High levels will be jackasses and take your bosses and loot (example: Runescape boss contents). Going back to the people not stopping even if powerlevelling isn’t possible. There is a title called slaughterer(1 million kills). Even if someone like me doesn’t benefit from the silver/xp, I still benefit from the kills, which I am 80k away from getting. Currently, I do this to get the title, and, if anyone needs to level up, they can. If there are no room, wait for people to reach lvl 90 and you’ll get a spot. Patience can be nice, right?

Also, I don’t think anyone would charge people for services like this, at least I don’t. Maybe people in bee farm, but that’s on them.

Another thing to note: Legit players that make multiple characters aren’t going to do the same quests over and over and over again, if there are better alternatives.

#9

total fcuk given by IMC - 0

#10

WTF is the point of this thread? TLDR. I leech my alts all the time. Wtf, there’s nothing wrong with that.

#11

Anyone willing to powerlevel me in Telsiai? It would really help me since my class sucks at solo. :smiley:

#12

I don’t agree with Powerleveling. It makes the low or new players felt cheated. Because they are not following the path, most of the new maps are empty. For a game to survive, the maps should have a balance of low level players - high level players questing/grinding/etc. If the maps are empty because of this, no new players will hop on to this game knowing he/she is way far behind from everyone and social interaction is completely eliminated at this stage.

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#13

There is nothing wrong with power leveling as long as it does not affect anyone else. I often PL my friends with my Necro. More specifically my GF. Often times she will log onto my Necro, and her Char and let my Necro grind for her. I honestly don’t feel like rolling a new alt when I have 13/150-230’s who leveled legit through boring quest. My thing is; don’t like it, don’t do it, but there is nothing wrong with others who do.

Edit: It’s not even PL’ing. Like literally I could make more exp/hr doing quest/mob kills then having someone grind for me. shrug

#14

Ratting at someone who is just levelling? What will you do next, my little socialist?

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#15

I am currently PL-ing my 8th char. If I have to do all the quests again, I’ll hang myself.

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#16

We should prevent noobs from makin a noob post like this one. Crying cuz ppl stronger than them are on his grinding place - well, welcome to the jungle baby! Thats how it is on mmo’s and life isnt diferent, so work hard be strong or die. So if i am 225+ cleric who cant beat fletchers damage ill write to IMC change MVP system? Points for healing? Rofl.

Like Lubu sayd, I have lots of characters and I dont want to repeat all game quests of low lvl! Also, i called you a noob cuz if uin fact quest its faster lvling - except for lvls 70-90

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#17

My typical level up experience is
Quest till I finish Crystal Mines
Grind cafrisun area
Quest until tenet garden
Card till I can get decent exp from Garden
Grind at tenet garden
Quest till 50 and save cards
Do 50 Dungeon
Rush quest till Maso
Grind events
Do 90 dungeon
Rush Quests
Grind DP

You can usually get to the DP grind on the end of 2nd day if thats all you do.

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#18

Time for the long ass response that noone gives a ■■■■ about, hurray

There’ were only 2 Saviors after these responses that actually formed an argument for themselves and responded to mine, so congratulations @Sixaxis and @Darkness2 for being reasonable.

I usually grind there from 73 - 74, i do this so i can save enough lvl 3 exp cards to jump from 80 to 86(exp reset). Thats not the point tho, it’s irrelevant whether i need to grind in that map or not, depends entirely on what route we follow when we’re leveling. What really matters is not being able to grind in that map because of Powerleveling, there are only 4 channels in that map for Silute and that was the only one with a working Device, all the other ones were on cooldown.

I don’t think so, lvl 3 Exp Levels are only usefull before the 86 exp reset, they don’t need to do all the level 3 exp card maps after they’ve been powerleveled after that threshhold, which they can easily do at Constructor’s Chapel.

Next person!

Wat? I never showed any interest in joining their party, i(am) was angry because it affected my gameplay, i can’t party with the 280 guys, i can’t compete against them for the spots. I don’t care if players are being jackasses, the reason why i made this post is to discuss and condenm Powerleveling, i’m mad at Powerleveling being a thing and everyone turning a blind eye to this.

■■■■ that, is this what will become of Tree of Savior in the future? Low levels begginign in the shout channel for Powerleveling parties?

I’m sure there are far better maps for getting the Slaughterer title that won’t affect low level player’s grinding, low level maps that aren’t used for grinding and have high spawn rate( Infrorocktors for example).

To discuss Powerleveling, interestingly enough we have 0 Topics that talk about this issue even though it seems to be a very common practice.

There is when it can be used to empower RMT and force other players out of those maps/grind, maps which otherwise they wouldn’t be forced out if you partied with them with your low level character instead of powerleveling it.

It affected me and my other party member, so it does affect people.

Basically the “If you don’t like it, Don’t watch it” argument used to shut up people who whave a different opinion to them regarding a specific show/practice, it shuts off any kind of discussion that can be made regarding the topic.

Yes! Let’s censor people who want to have a reasonable discussion regarding a topic because we don’t like his opinion regarding the same topic. /s

I do not understand this analogy at all, i’m going to guess you didn’t read my whole topic so you’re just confused and not really sure what’s going on.

Wat? Can anyone make sense out of this sentence? I have more than 400 hours of gameplay, i have 200+ characters.

@castillnu Well… ok? That’s not the point of this thread, instead of blessing us with your leveling guide maybe you could give your opinions regarding Powerleveling? That’d be a lot more usefull.

#19

Powerleveling is discouraged in most MMOs because most MMOs are themepark quest chains by design which inherently makes it impossible to powerlevel because you only level by doing quest chains, and most MMOs are designed around you having one character and pretty much rushing to endgame, and the quests are designed so that any character can easily complete them all.

ToS’s design is a classic Korean grinder with quests thrown in that just get in the way and ruin the exp curve and nobody likes them. It has a lot of pure utility builds that are really difficult to level up solo, and expecting people to always have a party to carry them from level 1 to level 200 just to play the game is unreasonable. Furthermore the game is designed around the idea of having multiple characters for different things (as in, different types of content, not different roles in a party - obviously other MMOs do that) rather than a single character that can do everything.

Again, powerleveling was impossible before, they made it possible by popular demand. It’s a design decision, and you’re clearly in the minority in your dislike of it - not only that, it doesn’t really effect your gameplay negatively in any way. Surely, you can understand why people think this is a silly thing to complain about?

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#20

You dont understand the game yet, and thats ok if you dont make big posts as you are the god of mmo’s. The point is: t
That powerlevel dont work for lv1 to 70 - Its too slow and u will waste way more time doing that than the common quest path.
So if im right uwill ask why people do that? Becuz they are lazy to replay all quests again. Sour post is pointless. I can say that cuz I lvled an alt ther from 1 to 90, and it took 4x the time. But itsok cuz i was semi afk.
Also if beginners do that they are dumb, cuz they need the silver,items, Card, gems of normal paththat i didnt needed!