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[Poll] How many tokens do you plan to buy per month?

General Discussion
#35

So hard to read, isn’t it?
I’ve never seen any MMORPG that would go so far as to disable free trading unless you bought an item from cash shop. If you buy a token with silver from other players, you’re supporting the highly controversial decisions of IMC.

Do you not see anything wrong with that? Are you a man with no morals?

Tactics used by IMC make me wanna puke. Even if I bought the token with silver, I would have a bad taste left in my mouth, that some other player actually wants to support this madness.

Edit: the problem with such cash shop tactics is - it destroys the trust between publisher and player. A successful publisher would desing their cash shop in such a way, that the player would happily spend their $$$ and be satisfied with his purchase.
However, having someone to spend $$$ just so you can enable basic game functions will never give anyone this kind of appreciation.

#36

You know what’s funny your complaining about such methods yet if they did a subscription method you would most likely complain that its mistreating people who cant afford subscriptions there is simply no winning with you.

The thing that tells me about you is your self absolved with your own ego that anyone who justifies going against your words that your claiming there part of the problem IMC have told people the reason to the restriction’s and all I have ever see is people coming up with blaming IMC but without trying solutions to the problem that is the reasoning to the restriction AKA RMT don’t you understand…

I could simply say this you are supporting RMT by allowing trade so they can do there illegal activity’s but then that would basically make me sink down to your level.

also what on earth does morals have to do with this they are not doing immoral things this is a company they need money and this is there method don’t like it don’t play it but for crying out loud complaining against it with nothing to justify a pro/cons reasoning is insane.

#37

While I am in complete agreement that a lot of the monetization decisions being made will be very bad for the longevity, fairness, and popularity of this game, I think it’s not good to make personal attacks to try to make that point. You only make someone more hard headed about their stance if you ‘attack’ them on it.

It’s clear we both care a great deal about this game, otherwise why would we be trying to argue for changes? But let us be classy about how we make our points.

Edit: @kaligoth5000 Apologies on my behalf for the poor treatment you received. But do you honestly think this game will be successful with its current monetization route? You cite EVE but does EVE have a proposed ~$18 monthly token ‘subscription’ that gives so many advantages? Does EVE have a cash shop with as many ‘gray’ transactions?

#38

Way to dodge answering my viewpoint. Kudos to you.

#39

Would you please read my post and consider editing your own to remove the ‘persona attack’ elements? Thank you!

#40

Whats the point of this poll?
We have maybe 1% of the playerbase in this forum, you really think that even 50% answer honestly? I wish i could be that naiv again

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#41

Apologies that you are not amused. Could you explain with more detail why you think I should be stopping my current lines of enquiry?

#42

The numbers are what they are. Will there be trolls and people who lie? I always hope not, but I agree it’s silly to think it doesn’t happen. So far, what about the numbers look so off to you?

If people were trolling which option would they be picking even?

#43

Man… nevermind, you left me speechless and now this whole poll makes sense.

#44

??? Would you mind explaining because I’m still confused what you are ‘speechless’ over?

#45

Make a poll about the weather on releaseday, then you will see.

#46

So… you are speechless about this poll because you think it doesn’t matter? Correct?

#47

dude wtf? make a completely worthless poll then request for sticky? do you have too much spare time on your hand?
people are going to pick either 0 or 1 for obvious reasons. What’s the purpose of this? trying to raise attention? bored?

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#48

Fair point,

I have removed that sentence.

I ask that you keep an open mind regarding this poll as I think it provides important data. Obviously I don’t want to bias potential results further by outright stating my economic theory, but I do promise to update this thread once I get enough results.

#49

Eve online has a cash shop and a thing called plexing basically the token you can use the plex to extend your subscription or sell it on the market for somewhat 500 mill isk to a player that can use this to extend there subscription thus if you can obtain 500 mill isk a month you can play the game for free and if you have been playing eve online for + 6 months obtaining 500 mill isk is freaking easy I know this because I used to do this if you can play the market game you can do this.

Also yes I think IMC can be successful but people need to stop thinking the company is against them and start thinking on solutions to what someone might see as a problem with facts to back it up I personally don’t see many using facts when they have a problem but rather just point blame at IMC expecting them to change to such extremes of impossibility by using hostage mentality for example “if you don’t change and do the things I want I’m gonna get a refund” like some sort of crazy person believing there money that they spent on the EA is worth more then the value of say as some put out a EU server.

Another thing to mention IMC did say they need constant support so that tells you right there buy to play wont work.

#50

Just one for myself because I think that’s fair.

#51

Why would you consider it worthless lets see 50 people (some being the same people) have replied and 135 people took the votes its right there if it was so worthless it would not even have remotely that many so please explain to me why its worthless also why are you responding for it to be worthless would imply that you don’t show interest but as you do that makes making the worthlessness invalid.

#52

also you do not need to apologies as you have not treated me poorly and I see this as valid research mentality research for it gives us multiple views on the tokens and how people will use them I only said one because I will only use it for the initial benefits it provides but from your information and the information from other players it shows there are a number of ways to use said tokens thanks for the intelligence.

#53

I used to also play EVE waay back in the day. I think it’s doable for new plex players to be entirely self-funded (f2p), but I think most people would agree that unless you are on top of the meta or have a really skilled character, you aren’t going to be playing EvE for free as a new player.

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#54

Dear god, if you exist, please make tuesday come faster so i can be done with this part of the forum, also, please use ur mighty hand and help me with that epic facepalm.