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Planning a Rogue build with rank 8 in mind

Class and Rank Archer
#1

So I been thinking for some time about going for a PvP oriented build and after doing some research I felt comfortable with a rogue build since it looks viable for PvP and is fun (Which is important to me)

But then rank 8 comes out and I’m at a loss, none of the new rank 8 skills seem particularly useful for the specific role I have in mind and I need to hold a dagger in my off hand, Mergen looks cool and seems to fit what I have in mind but I have no way of knowing if his skillset is locked on bows.

My build is:

Rank 1 Archer
Swift Step 5
Multi Shot 5
Oblique Shot 5

Rank 2 and 3 Quarrel Shooter
Deploy Pavise
Scatter Caltrops 10
Stone Picking 3
Stone Shot 10
Rapid Fire 5
Teardown 1

Rank 4 Scout
Camouflage 5
Flare Shot 5
Cloaking 5

Rank 5 to 7 Rogue
Sneak Hit 1
Feint 10
Capture 1
Vendetta 15
Lacrymator 3
Backstab 10

#2

Vendetta is terrible,horrible awful, one of the favorites for Worst Skill Award.

Just don’t.

#3

Well I’m already at Rank 2 Quarrel Shooter, what do you advice to do?

#4

If you are already at QS2, this might be a bit late for advice, but imo:

Archer:
-I’d change to Oblique 4 and Full Draw 1. Extra utility at the cost of minimal damage, especially for PVP.

QS:
-Forget Rapid Fire, it’s not good at Level 10 it won’t be good at level 5. Drop it to 1 for the Attribute.
-No reason to put more than one point in Stone Picking. Yes it makes life easier, but life would be even easier than that if you just picked up your stones in advance and never had to worry about it.
-Put those extra 6 points into Pavise because…well…there is no where else to put them, and more hits/duration will be more useful than any other skill you could put them in.

Scout:
-You could consider dropping a skill to 4 to get FluFlu 1. I have no idea if it works on players, but at least in PVE the utility of the skill isn’t bad.

Rogue:
-Vendetta 0. Not worth it. Never worth it.
-I’d use those points to get Sneak Hit 10, for full uptime (and more crit rate).
-Leftover points I’d throw in Lacrymator for the duration.

As far as Rank 8, from what I’ve seen all Mergen skills require a 2h bow. Hackapelle honestly seems like it was almost entirely designed to work with Rogue though.

The only Rogue skill that needs a dagger is Backstab, so you could easily just throw a dagger into your secondary weapon slot and let the autoswitch take care of it.

Meanwhile what does Hackapelle offer?
-Added mobility from mount for general purposes and getting Back hits.
-Storm Bolt x Back Stab combo for your heavy bleeding
-The ability to use one handed swords in off-hand to get a large damage boost

Admittedly, it’s not much. On the other hand, Mergen seems to add little more than damage, which is not terrible as the only damage skill Rogue’s really get across all three ranks is Back Stab. If you don’t mind switching out to use a 2h bow (and just autoswitching for back stab), Mergen might fill in some of the holes that the Rogue class has in general. The main problem I’d see with Mergen is that you can’t use Stone Shot with a 2h Bow, and Stone Shot seems like a very important skill to not be able to use. Autoswitch might take care of that, but if you get the FPS stutter from weapon switching, that will be a big problem.

I personally think Hackapelle has more to offer, but I don’t know enough about Mergen to rule it out. Those are my thoughts on the matter though.

#5

1 on sneak hit???.. that’s one of the most important rogue skills… and making it 100% uptime is top priority… at least 8 points in it (make sure you have the attribute to extend its time)

Feint is not worth it for PvE if you are not ranger… but for PvP as any rogue build is more str than dex will make sure to hit those pesky archers and swordies with mainly dex builds… i’d put at least 5 points…

lacrymator is not worth it more than 1 point as it has a long cooldown and the attribute to make dmg breaks your cloacking…

vendetta is ok… its home of your extra points…

i went rogue c2 + musketeer so i have no comments on burrow but i think is worth the 5 points you’re missing (the points you put tallyup for 40… and is 45 total for 3 circles)…

#6

First I want to thanks Twilights_Call and ArashiNoKishi for their advice I have no problems with starting from 0 I’ll just move some gear to my main and back to my archer went I get back where I was before.

I changed the build and now it looks like this:

Rank 1 Archer
Multi Shot 5
Swif Step 5
Full Draw 1
Oblique SHot 4

Rank 2 to 3 Quarrel Shooter
Deploy Pavise 9
Scatter Caltrops 10
Stone Picking 1
Stone Shot 10

Rank 4 Scout
Camouflague 5
Flare Shot 5
Cloaking 5

Rank 5 to 7 Rogue
Sneak hit 10
Feint 10
Capture 5 (I didn’t find any place to put them)
Lachrymator 1
Evasion 4
Backstab 10
Burrow 5

Rank 8 Hackapell
Skaphuggning 5
Storm Bolt 5
Cavalry Charge 5

#7

plz just do not stop at QS c2, go QS 3 running shot is pretty good.
Rogue c3 is a waste of time anyway, go scout at rank 5 and get rogue c2.
don’t forget that cloaking, QS skills AND rogue skills cannot be used while mounted, i wouldn’t go hakkapelle

#8

So I shouldn’t max out Backstab then?

#9

you can, its just not that good in pvp and other classes got tons of ways to counter that (cryo’s subzero, warlock’s dark balls or w/e its called, cataphract’s rush, all skills that will counter it and prevent you from doing anything)
the combination of those classes with hakkapelle is bad, 80% of the skills cannot be used mounted.
Also i wouldn’t consider neither hakka or mergen good pvp classes, if you want a good pvp archer i’d go QS 3 archer c2 scout cannnoneer c2 (you can replace archer c2 with rogue c1 if you want, but you must have scout for a good pvp class)
there are also some good hunter builds or musketeer builds, but i don’t think that rogue c3 is good at pvp.
Not with all the new utility that other rank 8 classes have access to.

#10

oblique shot leave it at 1

#11

What about taking 2 ranks in Rogue and 2 in Schwarzer Reiter? He can use a 1Hpistol and a Dagger in the other hand? Or are his skills locked in 2H weapons?

#12

SR must use a gun, and some rogue skills unmount you so i’d be careful with that.

#13

But can you use a gun and a dagger in the other hand right? or other subweapon.

#14

no because a gun is a sub weapon
SR skills require to use an xbow+pistol.

#15

Ok so its crossbow + gun got it. It would mean that I ditch the backstab for more consistency in my skill set.

#16

yup, rogue and SR simply don’t work together. You CAN take rogue c1 for sneak hit if you want, not a fan of it but it works
rogue c2 is a waste of space, especially since rogue c2 is a rank 6 class and you really wanna have SR at rank 6.