keep wishing, as per experience all we could get from their current roster is lazy coding
Well Iâm done, no matter how far should I (or anyone who gets involved) justify that other skills as their own such as Ausrine are way better than MH. No matter what I say you will always look for something on a new context to reply, trying to focus on MH you mentioned Pdâs Mikos and other stuff which lead to ausrine vs mh, you will keep always creating new scenarios in your head and canât focus on the main subject, because you have to prove yourself youâre right and MH is the most OP and without counterplay skill in this game.
If you want to justify yourself as you are doing keep on, probably Iâll keep reading, but answering is just a waste of time since you will be loyal to your idea and thatâs all what matters. Iâm done, there isnât point on trying to discuss if you donât want to think over.
MH is OP because you say so and thatâs all. @staff_ALL nerf it please, we have a 100 players feedback (if it reaches this number) and half of them thinks the same as lunar, so he must be right.
By the way guys, I do agree with lunar that klaipeda is better in PvP than Silute, he stated in previous threads that Klaipeda is full and alive at itâs finest, probably out of 3â1k klaipeda must have 2â5k, you canât be better than 2â5k people Iâm sorry lol
Thatâs your point of view (Sage) because you canât see how unbalanced it is when playing as an archer.
No matter how many times I say it isnât that simple to remove Missile Hole you always go back to âuse hunter, use fletcher, use stone shotâ when they are clearly not solutions to deal Missile Hole. You simply didnât offer any viable way to deal with it (believing you did).
I donât create scenarios on my head. Like I said, Iâm telling from experience playing as Archer since iCBT 2, getting top 1 archer title on Klaipeda/Orsha. Because, like I said A LOT of times, it is insanely harder to hit someone 16 times when they are moving between a group that can kill you any time than on 1v1 (which you also canât seem to understand).
Like I said, I donât mind being wrong. Go ahead, correct me if thereâs anything I said wrong, Iâll accept it. But if youâre saying wrong things, I simply wonât accept âoh, missile hole isnât op because we have hunterâ because itâs simply bullshit from someone who never plays PvP as archer. lol
Which so you know, I did think this over and over and over, played as Kino because Missile Hole, learned tricks to deal with Missile Hole, looked for alternatives and ways to counter it and even tested for hit count mechanics and buff renewal mechanics. Conclusion: Unbalanced.
Correcting you: Missile Hole is OP because it makes entire archer class tree useless. The people voting/posting it are proof of it.
And actually they can be better with less people. I just meant it because what I heard from people I talk from Silute and no one here even said it doesnât happen. (Such as getting a lot of Sages to counter all archers and still call Missile Hole balanced when they have a GvG roster focused on having anti-archer skill on 100% uptime, totally âbalancedâ.)
You already said you donât play the game, you were done when you quit.
Ausrine is tough to deal with but not impossible, it lasts 20s max. Missile hole has a 100% uptime. Nothing anyone seems to say to you makes you understand, no matter how often youâre told youâre objectively wrong you just keep spewing the same â â â â . And how could you even know any better when you donât play the game?
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go sleep, u need sleep
Yes, MH is op, but the solution not is kill the skill.
1°- Put a % modifier instead of total annulation, in return remove the hit count.
2°- Reduce his rank as the same as ausrine, increase the cd, in return improve the range.
W can discuss this without figthing 
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Agree, can discuss without fighting.
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- On % modifier instead of total annulation, having no hit count is still unbalanced because 100% uptime.
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- Reducing rank alone doesnât fix the issue, it could if you reduce the duration too so it doesnât get 100% uptime (even with Pass from chronos).
Some asked about standardized equip in TBL, that wonât happen again. Because how else can iMC encourage big spenders to splurge heavily on transcendence and silver? GVG is broken and the game engine cannot support open world siege.
Whales wonât spend if there is no place to show off their credit cards.
I already admitted that MH is OP, and Iâm glad finally wizards donât get one shoted by invisible cannoneers and have counterplay to a muskeeter. You canât see that Ausrine is way better than MH xD
Guess you still donât get the point of that. You keep saying that MH makes the whole archer class useless and reject to admit that those âhunter, fletcher, stone shotâ can deal with it. Which are skills from archer class isnât it obvious? hehe
This time it isnât like you are wrong, itâs more like you wonât admit that there are better things because you are frustrated with MH and thatâs all what matters now.
You keep saying that I lack the experience of playing as an archer, of course you are right, but you keep forgetting that my point of view is from someone who have played each pvp with missile hole, and of course if there is someone better than me Iâll just observe how is he playing to learn. Guess what? He isnât winning always, people always find plenty of ways to deal with it.
Once again, MH is the most overpowered skill.
55% isnât a big proof to be honest, basically Missile hole is OP because you say so.
And @Csiko, you donât know when did I quit, and scroll up to find that there are ways to deal with missile hole, even 100% uptime recasting it wonât refresh it buff but skill will go on CD, moreover, in a 5v5 people wonât stack together the moment that MH ends, and of course sage wonât be counting who had X ranged or missiles hits. But hey, hoy could I even know if I havenât played the game for about 3 weeks? Keep assuming other people stuff, you may be always right as your friend is.
Yea I may need to sleep, once again nothing will result out of this thread/poll/discussion, there isnât point on keep typing either lol
1.) Rerolling my class is not âdealing withâ it
2.) You clearly donât understand how it works, being that it does in fact have a 100% uptime, and is even passable if youâre stuck against a QS
But you wouldnât know that, because you donât play the game. Or are willfully ignorant. Or both, so
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Well, since you stopped playing I am pretty sure you didnât experience the game after the +80% defense buffs from rank 8. So you getting one shoted be Cannoneer with Full Con build is simply because you play careless and with bad gears.
Yes, those skills are from archer tree. Hunter: Melee, not Missile. Missile Hole is unbalanced vs Missile Attacks. You canât get 5 people at once with Hunter and it alone wonât solve Missile Hole Issue. Bleeding and Stun are easy to counter in almost all 5v5 matches.
Like I said, I have experience and those skills doesnât solve Missile Hole issue. You donât have the experience nor plays as any of those class, thus you cannot know. All you do is die to them because you have no support or go yolo facetanking feeling as god with Missile Hole because youâre used on getting 1 1 1 1 and get surprised when someone do something. Instead of dealing with it, you go âhey, thatâs already broken, let Missile Hole so I can stay alive, but wait, I donât even play anymoreâ.
55% because all Sages, players who already quit and hues are voting on âMissile Hole is fineâ.
@Csiko whatâs worse is that even rerolling doesnât solve the issue. xD
I know that we are talking about a skill against a whole rank, but killing the skill and consequently the class itself will never be a solution.
Any improvement is a start, balance is change a bit, test, and change again, if necessary.
Donât know your class but I never said you should reroll, that bad manners tho, probably you are another frustrated archer tellng a sage how to get rid of the buff. Keep your bad manners, thatâs the only thing youâve left, because you shitpost is worthless lmao
Probably youâre forgetting I mentioned before updated gems/new equipment and stuff is better than skills in their essence. But yea, I havenât played for like 3 weeks, maybe a month, I mustnât know how rank 8 content works.
IIRC you stalked my forum history, you may know that Iâm a pyrokino, as a pyrokino my way to play is way more cautious than a full con warlock/cryokino or any other, basically you are now making a new scneario assuming my way to play in order to prove you right.
And yea 55% because out of 70 peeps, 20 are sages and the other 20 just quit but are here to prove you wrong.
This time I really lolâd with your reply guys, good luck with your poll 
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Iâm amazed at how a ânerfâ has to be the death of a class. First off, I know that when a change is implemented in this game it covers PvE as PvP. This, this shouldnât be, whoâs crazy enough to even fathom such a thing to begin with?
When people claim for a skill change it should be made just for the PvP aspect, even go as far as having 1 function in PvE and another maybe even completly different in PvP. I can think of warframe as an example that does this (theyâre overall awesome as how theyâve handled their game though)
So, I hope that IMC can just realize this and begin toning or changing skill effects in PvP enviroments, this game very design screams for such a thing as everything is overpowered in PvP but itâs perfectly OK in PvE (after all, monster donât post in the forum)
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POE just announced a massive new update and here we are arguing over miserable little balance and fixes IMC puts out every two weeks in ktos.
IMC is total fail compared to GGG.
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I agree with that any improvement is good. The main thing broken on Missile Hole though is itâs duration+cooldown, if you keep it, it simply stay broken anyway.
I just did a Ctrl+F Sage and found that I was correct about you being a sage. rofl
I always thought you were on full con build variants, sorry about that, since we talked about youâre being a pyro/kino, how much HP did you have? Your stat distribution then might be the key why you die to archers, Missile Hole yet again isnât the solution for your case.
Wanna prove that Iâm wrong? Play an archer and record you being useful in a 5v5 match with good teams on both sides. Wanna try?
P.S.: @MagicOne is just talking about moving to another game but votes that Missile Hole is fine. Thatâs what Iâm talking about. xD
Couldnât remember if that one was you or your friend csiko, if it wasnât you for sure was her who stalked some comments I did in other threads to comment something in her favour, but looking how much she understand things⌠well nvm, I wonât call anybody idiot/retard as she tend to do lol.
Like 150 points on con and 220 on int, Matk and +HP headgear, donât know how much matk I have, IIRC correctly hp pool almost 25k and matk about 1400, using a superior corona since I ripped my pract box lol
Before agny I had a really tough PvP time, thatâs why I learnt how to position myself the best as possible, there are some fedimian ranking pics in this forum and Iâm pretty high always. Agny and missile hole made everything way easier and boring tbh. So even if my char is kinda strong now, I quit PvP because I was dealing 1-300 damage to almost everyone there with 50khp, of course 0 intention on leveling another char to get Vienarazis with gems or farming orange weapons with this build.
So yea, Iâm not a full con mage and I have always played the smartest way as possible trying to learn from my mistakes, patterns of some people and what other mages. Probably that changes some things in your mind that you assumed previously lol
Iâm not the only one dying due to archers, while I may have 25k hp full con build with 50k hp and missile holes also dies, so there are ways to kill as an archer people with MH xD
I wonât try, I play wizard related class in every single game and archers-rogues are usually my nemesis, I hate this class and love to kill them, so I will always refuse on making an archer lol
Well, thatâs normal then. Anyone on 25k HP range with low defense is prone to die by one-shot by a lot of skills. In a perfect balanced way, Missile Hole would prevent you from getting oneshot by reducing the % damage to something that you can stay alive or having a lower duration, IMO. Having around 24k HP myself too I know how it is. (And scout cannoneer are easy to deal with, usually.)
Yes, that changes my point of view on how you could play. But I must agree on this:
With making all archers useless (or, letâs say, almost because considering team composition) it gets really boring for sages lol.
Again we go back to team composition. If teams are balanced, archer gets useless, if team composition is bad, you have enough time to break Missile Hole and do what you want since the team couldnât win to begin with.
For me itâs the opposite, I always play as Archer/Ranged classes as much as I can (even in Terraria, lol). But I do play and level characters so I can talk about it and learn how it works before I start talking about balanced/unbalanced things, and this is why I can say for sure that Missile Hole is unbalanced.
Didnât say I have low defense, grynas with high level yellow gems gives A LOT. IIRC gem update was after rank 8, getting one shot by archers due to MH mostly, but I still die to them even with high defense.
2v2 is, dealing 1 damage to 50k HP people is, and that Oracle kabba inqui meta is boring. 5v5 still was interesting but as I mentioned in that loan population thread, not even shouting you can gather 10 people to play against so Rip the whole pvp for me, isnât MH at all as you can see.
Finally you accept that, team compo, player skills and lots of other variables like the state of the round (players alive, dpsâs and stuff) is the idea of pvp, an archer wonât have it easy to deal with MH but forget about 100% uptime MH for the whole team or if a miko is going to debuff or not, thatâs why I tried not to involve other classes and focused in MH.
I have a Falconer c3 myself, a friend suggested me the idea of having a RO auto attack hunter while leveled a chronolinker, haste and quicken + crit and stuff should be enjoyable and I could be requested even for an ET group. For sure I wonât level it up alone for my own and wonât property gear. Still we discussed that before and I admitted not knowing much about mergen or hakka since Iâm not interested in those classes and havenât seen many, but I do know how the other classes works much more when I tend to focus archers for principles and actually get focused by them lol.
By the way enough for me, everything discussed you still have your point of view and I have mine. I may show up if things are get interesting but for now off to sleep and reading in shadows. Nn.
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