Petition: Nerf Missile Hole. A single Rank should NOT make entire classes from Rank 1 to 8 useless

[Pinata44]

The truth of tos combat is that you are locked at two paths.
The “1 to all” or the “overkill to all”.
Or you recive 1 damage or you get overkilled by mobs.
Or you deal 1 damage or you overkill mobs. (in this case, magic.)

Saalus gems are in the game for a reason. IMC wont change a thing in the game mechanics. Every thing they touch breaks.

Remember when they buffed Barbarians? That a skill base damage went up to 2k from 150?
Or iceshield, that was broken as hell and got nerfed to the ground.
Or gravity pole, that is now just a pve skill.

We must be really carefull with IMC, and think alot of what we ask.
For now all I want is more Class reset vouchers.
And rank 9 information.

[Seiran]

Didn’t say I have low defense, grynas with high level yellow gems gives A LOT. IIRC gem update was after rank 8, getting one shot by archers due to MH mostly, but I still die to them even with high defense.

How high was your physical defense? 1500 max? Kinda low. lol

2v2 is, dealing 1 damage to 50k HP people is,

Exactly. Dealing 1 damage to everyone because Missile Hole is boring.

Finally you accept that, team compo, player skills and lots of other variables like the state of the round (players alive, dps’s and stuff) is the idea of pvp, an archer won’t have it easy to deal with MH but forget about 100% uptime MH for the whole team or if a miko is going to debuff or not, that’s why I tried not to involve other classes and focused in MH.

I’m always talking about team composition. lol On a good 5v5 match, a sage makes the archer useless turning the match into 4v5.

[neith720]

How high was your physical defense? 1500 max? Kinda low. lol

Don’t know enough to get hit 1 by new mob.

Exactly. Dealing 1 damage to everyone because Missile Hole is boring.

You still have a chance against MH, dealing 1 damage to everyone because high mdef without any chance to beat is boring.

sage makes the archer useless turning the match into 4v5

learned tricks to deal with Missile Hole, looked for alternatives and ways to counter it

As long as you are able to do that, everyone should be. 5v5 all the way.

[Seiran]

Don’t know enough to get hit 1 by new mob.

I get hit by 1 by new mob at 1246 p def on my farmer without any physical defense gear. lol

You still have a chance against MH, dealing 1 damage to everyone because high mdef without any chance to beat is boring.

No, because there’s no way to counter that. You can transcend weapons, archer’s can’t do that to break Missile Hole and party can’t help.

As long as you are able to do that, everyone should be. 5v5 all the way.

And the tricks to deal with Missile Hole are all not so viable while the tricks to deal with Ausrine are easy as having a Miko Gohei the buff, waiting it to run out, CC and etc. Missile Hole way op and harder to deal with, totally unbalanced.

[neith720]

Easier to trascend a weapon to a high level just for pvp than hitting 16 times while CCed and now miko comes in action again, whatever you are right on everything, everything is impossible for an archer. Pretty sure that’s what you wanted to hear

Can’t spend my life in ToF on the same cyclic theme, tag me if this thread has any impact lmao.

[TeamChespin]

The rabbit is really breeding hard here.
Someone better bring in the bugged plague doctor and spread some poison around before this place gets covered with rabbit poop.

I prefer bug fixes to nerfing skills.
I prefer stable servers than RNG disconnects.

Nothing is wrong with missile hole. It’s working as IMC intended.

[Resolved]

[Seiran]

Flags, Flags.

[gwa_pao]

I’m a cannoneer and I don’t find MH OP. git gud

[Seiran]

Wut? Join the Broadhead arrow team on Fedimian with that Sage xD

[gwa_pao]

so I cant make another archer?
are you serious? lmao!

[Seiran]

No. So you can live in the different world where there’s no cleric so you can use Broadhead arrow whenever you want :3

[gwa_pao]

wut cleric wut? arent this thread about MH? xD
you are out of topic in your own thread
do I need screenshot that I use cannoneer as main? xD

[TeamChespin]

keyboard warrior rabbit…?

Or just trigger fingered?

You know it’s not going changed because then Sage class will cry out for archer blood. It’s not like a sage will OHKO enemies as easily as R8 archers. Youre crying cause you’re not winning in PvP like you used to. You only want missile hole to take effect in PvE, but not PvP, how is that fair or balanced?

Someone get this kid a another class of milk because s/he spilt it on the floor and is raging all day on ToF.

[Seiran]

No, I’m just pointing out that you have a Fletcher and implicitly telling you go away since you’re probably butthurt because not knowing how to draw and getting angry over that fanart post. lol

But yeah, can you talk on how you don’t find Missile Hole OP with your Cannoneer? Do you play TBL frequently? What’s your rank? What’s your complete build? Can your record one match and show why do you feel it is not OP? Thanks in advance!

[gwa_pao]

maybe this screenshot will shut your mouth lol
clearlyI dont use fletcher in pvp

butthurt because not knowing how to draw and getting angry over that fanart post. lol

wow you even bring this one up here on a different thread. someones holding a grudge xD

you really are closeminded.

[haukinyau1]

what if i tell u

MH rework/nerf would take another 12months, regardless if any of the ideas here being used.

coz corsair jr n pistol shot rework took em 12months

will this post be flag again?

huehuehue

[nightrain_scy]

Overall, TBL balance issue is haywired and there are so many OP skills, Cleric Tree especially need to be targeted first.
Include Inquisitor, PD, Dievdirbys, and etc. Sage’s missile hole might just tip of iceberg, and without missile hole wizard also will get YOLO easily by archer.
Wizard tree itself have no significant killing power, the strongest warlock have pity melee range / hitbox / loooong animation, nerfed damage and counter-able with Rhevisan Bracelet.

I think TBL map should be revamp as well or make it become random on few gimmicky maps, it is too small and if it bigger and wider then wizard’s CC skills and Cleric’s deployment skill might easier to counter.

[Seiran]

@haukinyau1 no flags for this one since nothing offensive as the butthurt named @TeamChespin likes to do without even knowing what is he talking about.

@gwa_pao shut my mouth on what? I’m better than you :3

And better than you since before R8:

Sure @TeamChespin, I’m totally never winning anything on PvP.

5v5

2v2

You know it’s not going changed because then Sage class will cry out for archer blood. It’s not like a sage will OHKO enemies as easily as R8 archers.

I don’t want one-shot fest. It’s boring to play 2v2 simply because of that. I want a balanced Missile Hole that prevents me and other archers build from one-shotting people but as well is balanced to not hit only 1 and work as 100% uptime Ausrine.

You only want missile hole to take effect in PvE, but not PvP, how is that fair or balanced?

Where did I say I don’t want it to be nerfed in PvE?

In my opinion, it can totally be nerfed in PvE without any problem. Did I ever say in any of my posts I want it to stay as is on PvE? The only place you’d ever need it is Earth Tower Lolopanther area, aside from that anywhere you can simply stack defense.

Since you love to insult me, you should’ve read my posts on how I think Missile Hole could be balanced here and in other posts of the forum. It is not only me.

Did you check them before saying anything about me or are you that type of kid that start to type without thinking and picking words out of the trash bin?

[gwa_pao]

better? yet you’re crying in TBL against sage.
just because you cant win against sage it does not mean its OP

[Seiran]

Did I ever say I can’t win? Quote or screenshot, please.