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PC experts? Looking to spend some cash on upgrading PC

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#29

I’m no pro since I only had started building mine a year ago, but I did some research so here I will give you advice. Go for Intel cause per core of Intel is more powerful than amd. Amd do have processors that have more cores but games today will only utilize 2 to 4 cores but other task like 3d rendering, AutoCAD, video editing will utilize more than 4 cores so if you do those things then consider amd fx proce. Amd also focus on having better integrated graphics APU which is cheaper, but in your budget you are better on buying dedicated gpu.

GPU nvidia is more expensive than amd, but amd do heat more than nvidia so IMO go for nvidia. Do not buy gddr3 cards and 2g gddr5 you can play most games today mid to high, but you said you wanted it that you can play games in 2-5 yes time so go for 4gig gddr5.

Do not skip on power supply buy true rated, ask for 80+ bronze gold plat etc seal, if it don’t have those seal they are not true rated like Korea brands. For brands I go for sea sonic but it just me.

Yes, go for ssd you will feel the diff 1-5seconds boot then your gaming.

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#30

Motherboard, I think this one you can buy the cheapest that is compatible with your procie, unless you are considering overclocling your provide or if you consider SLI (more than 1 card in 1 mobo.

Ram, 8 gig is enough for today but it won’t hurt buying another 8gig since ram is one of the cheapest parts right now.

I just wanna point out that Tos during beta is poorly optimized so don’t expect high fps on towns or field boss I heard it has something to do with tons only using directx9, so even if yoy u have a beastly machine don’t expect too much.

Last building PC is addicting once you build one you will for a way to upgrade your rig even just installing led strips just to make it cool Lol. I have built my PC cause I wanna improve my gaming experience, but today I have more passion in building rig than gaming, I mostly use high end games for be cark and I don’t even finished most of them. Beware this term PC master race will swallow you and will make you one of us, welcome “PC master race”.

#31

Ow already bought one. >_<

#32

Change the i5 for a Skylake, try to go with ddr4, you don’t need this Power Supply, CX 500(Corsair is overpriced there o.o) would be sufficiently. Go with a r9 380 not a r9 270x
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438069

#33

Or actually, try this build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3BmD6h

Don’t get mislead by higher numbers of newer generations because that’s where people usually go wrong and spend more than they need to.

Some FAQ:

Why a 4460, why not get a i5-xxxx or i7-xxxx instead?
Simple answer really, that i5 is a solid CPU that both boasts itsself as the #1 budget favorite CPU and has all the performance you need. Overclocking is not that important and should not be considered for your average/every day gamer.

GTX 960?
Yes a GTX 960, because it’s the top 1080p performer that nvidia managed to ■■■■ out. Not to mention nVidia’s superior driver support since Windows 7 got released. For solid 60FPS in a majority of games (and triple A titles) a 960 can get you ways ahead people.

Why no DDR4?
Please explain to every person in this thread why anything that’s faster than 1600mhz is needed for an average basic gaming system/work station. OP is not gonna be rendering in blender or maya. 1600 MHz is fine and the generation difference won’t make him miss out on anything.

Wait! This build only has an SSD!
Well, maybe OP has his own HDD he can carry that over. He also can always choose for a 500gb SSD instead of a 250, Samsung has reliable NAND chips and the 850 EVO is the best on the market for its price.

Why no custom cooler?
OP is not gonna overclock, OP is not gonna run 24/7 CPU stressing benchmarks. A Stock cooler will keep it nice and cool, though it will be louder than a simple air cooling.

600W power supply?!
This is just an example, usually I would suggest not shying away from paying too much on your power supply because it is the ONE component in your entire system that can either destroy it or have it run like a good proud rare horse breed.

I hope I’ve made some of my points clear and probably steered you in some direction.

#34

Well, I run TOS at 75 FPS with my GTX 970 on a 21:9 monitor (just disabled FXAA), so… That’s weired :slight_frown:

Great setup

I think is a little overkill use the i7-4790K if you won’t use overclock, nor programs that use hyper thread (video and audio editors, coding…), for only gaming purposes, i5 4440 is a best bang for the buck CPU, but I’m sure the i7-4790k will last longer.

#35

DDR4 has been shown to consistently help in certain CPU bottlenecks. SO there is no reason to not get it. Especially since DDR3 is gonig to get more expensive as time goes by.

Also, the 380X beats the 960 in to the ground. Why would you even reccmmend it outside of driver support?

That Power supply is overkill and isn’t even the best choice for the wattage. You should definitely spend the money on a quieter, and more efficient supply.

#36

What CPU bottlenecks? CPU bottlenecks are rare and would not impact everyday use besides small numbers. Nowadays it’s not something you get worried about.

Also the reason I suggest the 960 is because it’s cheaper than de 380X in most regions in the world. And you should never shy for a power supply. There is no overkill when it comes to power supplies and your argument makes no sense. You make it sound as if 600W power supplies pull 600W, in case you didn’t know and I hope you do know, they do not. We are talking about a budget system, not high-end gaming or work station devices.

#37

CPU Bottlenecks happen in MMOs All the time

Also, there is overkill with Power Supplies. Many supplies do not reach rated efficiency if not loaded properly. Not to mention some supplies do not have proper protection vs power surges and other anomalies.

Ripple Supression is also important, especially when it comes to HDDs and Sound Cards.

Not to mention Fans, which become an annoyance in low powered and quiet systems. The Platinum, and Passively cooled, Power Supply I linked above would be more than adequate for years to come.

And he would only pay 60$ more for that quality of life. Seriously, who would not want to make sure that the most important component of their system is actually high quality?

#38
#39

I never said they consume more power. Are you even paying attention?

We are talking about Efficiency.

#40

YOu haven’t even watched the video, why are you being so rude? First watch it and you will understand what I am trying to say. You are just being mislead by a title and based on that you are throwing out a comment. Please watch it. In my own post I said, do not shy away from paying more for a power supply. It never said expensive power supplies sucked. But this is still a thread with a budget. 60 dollars more could mean a lot for him. If you are thinking of “He is paying 700 already why not 60 more?” that’s a silly argument which is just an excuse to spend more.

#41

Paying 60$ more On the most important, and mission critical component in your entire computer is, arguably, something far more worth considering. Besides, the Power Supply can, almost always, be re-used when you build a new system.

THis is, also, why you get DD4, because it will become the standard and can be re-used when you upgrade down the line.

#42

You literally are agreeing with my previous point.

You called it overkill, now its fine to pay and spend more. DDR4 is not worth the entire set upgrade, it makes it more expensive.

#43

It’s Overkill, because he doesn’t need the wattage…and never will. Because of that, he will never reach the rated efficiency for it and waste power. Besides, he doesn’t need a PSU with a fan on it.

DDR4 is a pitance, and can be had for almost the same price as DDR3. So unless they already have 8 GB+ of DDR3… There is no reason to avoid it.

#44

An 80%+ bronze 600W PSU will do just fine, especially because it’s from a renowned manufacturer, those tend to perform fine. Point still is that the options you are thinking of are expensive, while we do agree on the PSU performance part (the fact that people should not shy away from an expensive PSU)

#45

80% Bronze may not be enough, if he lives in a place where Power costs are rather extreme. Which, a person probably does if they are working with a strict budget.

Also, as I said before… That Bronze raing only gets achieved when the PSU is loaded to a certain point. Efficiency, if you recall. I can guarantee you that a 960, and non-oc Haswell CPU will not even approach 50% of that PSU’s capability.

Oh, and DD4 consumes less power.

#46

it’s overkill if you consider what kind of parts he is using, but it’s maybe ok if he plans to upgrade his parts in the future. I will always go with more watts if you can afford it but makes sure it is rated.

#47

I think what you want is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PCMasterRace/wiki/builds on a side note there are some choke problems in the coding of ToS game isn’t really optimized for good computers from what I hear… and I’m sure 3 other people can give you a specific run down on what the limiting factor(s) is(are).

#48

If you plan on going VR sooner or later $1000 seems reasonable.

For common gaming/non programming/ non rendering usage:

Prices are based on US

-GTX 970 ~250$ from Jet.com with 15-20% off promo code (NO TAX FREE SHIPPING WOOO)
-i5 4690k ~ 200$
OR
-i5 6600k ~ 230$

  • you can skimp on CPU if you don’t think you’ll overclock in the future.

-16 GB RAM ~ 60$ (cheap so why not; run like 30 tabs of Chrome and still not lag!!!111!1!For those who want to argue: scroll to * of my post)

  • 600W or so PSU (modular) ~ 60$
  • 250GB Samsung SSD ~ 70$
  • CPU cooler ~40$
    Total: ~730 with Tax (excluding the GTX 970)

And the rest on a case of your choice and motherboard that fits your case

Here’s my setup:

And LOL about the argument about PSU efficiency and other stuff people are getting in-depth about. Assuming you live in the US, paying an extra $10 or so per year shouldn’t set you back.
OP is not technically as savvy. He/she doesn’t need to worry about all these constraints and worries you guys are talking about. He/she won’t be running multi threaded intensive programs nor will he/she will be running VMs.

  • I actually found Windows 10 eating a ton of RAM from running MGS5 and some Chrome tabs, even had a warning to shut some stuff off in order to free up memory (I had 8 GB RAM at the time)