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Party Discrimination

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#1

Just a simple question, do you have high standards and discriminate against specific class when you join a grind party? Now I am not talking about dungeon or missions where most of the time you don’t have a choice. But when you do join an ET or grind party, what would be your idea party setup?

Do you drop the party if the setup is not optimal? An example would be a party with no Peltasta, or no certain type of healer, or no support like Chrono or Linker.

Is 1 healer and 4 dps all you need? For that matter, would a swordman dps be good enough for you?

As for healers, I have personally seen some discrimination against STR archetypes such as Monk and full STR Bokor. For that matter, anything with 1 cleric such as Pardoner has been discriminated. I have seen many Pardoners trying to join Alemeth Forest party but instead getting turned down because they only have 1 cleric.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: I almost forgot to add, I always make grind parties myself and rarely do I join one. Normally I just grab 3 dps and go as I am a cry/chrono and my partner is a healer. I have had a few dps ask me to find a peltasta, though I didn’t want to wait for one and believe that swash buckler isn’t always necessary when I can pull mob just fine with ice blast, haste, and frost pillar.

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#3

no, am a Psycho and a loner…

people invite me to party or not…

I really don’t care what you are or will be

#4

I personally dont care aslong as the party gets rolling.

Whats important to me is the social interaction while grinding, else id get bored grinding way too fast.

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#5

Actually, let me correct myself, it is not about the wait but rather more about faster kill. When I’m with a peltasta, we definitely kill faster than 20 seconds. And sometimes his/her swash buckler just isn’t fast enough for our pulls. Furthermore, I normally fill the tank role so it is really redundant to invite one. At least that’s my opinion.

#6

Well, that’s refreshing to hear. At least that’s only the view of certain individuals then.

#7

ET setup:

  1. Pel3Squire3
  2. Hahaman
  3. Catagoon
  4. Chrono
  5. FS
#9

My standards?

Ideal party set up is always with a groups of lolis in voice chat. No, I don’t want to hear your high pitched or low male voice.

Nothing gets you going better than doing things with lolis.

Doing things without them feels almost like amnesia. Feels like something is missing but you just don’t know what and why. But then that feeling disappears as well. Then when you see loli again you are reminded.

I guess I do have high standards and discriminate then. Reminded why I barely ever do parties.

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#10

Basically, as for Swordman, Cleric and to some extent also Wizard, some discrimination against builds that do not devote themselves to party play is fairly natural. In a thread about the discrimination against any Swordman that does not have a rank in Peltasta, there was a good post, #174 IIRC. Some builds are good for solo action, while others of the respective class are better for party play and involve a tougher time to lvl.

If you do not devote your build to partyplay, you cant expect others to welcome you with the same enthusiasm a party build gets. As for your healer example, I would always prefer a SPR/CON based Priest3 that does take further support ranks over a STR Monk or Bokor. There may be some dmgdealing cleric builds, but thats not why you want a cleric in your party. Cleric1 pretty much answers itself. You want the Cleric class player to save your ass, therefoe you want a good amount of healing.
And Swordman? In most cases it is Swashbuckling people want. Therefoe, if the player cannot deliver cause he did not take a rank in Peltasta for whatever reason, he can sit out the grinding. In such a case, I would prefer another Wizard or Archer do deal the dmg.

Bottom line, there are many ways to play the game. If you made your character for , lets say, irregular purposes or just solo play, it is your choice. You cant blame parties for not taking you along then.

#11

Nope. I’m lucky enough to be able to find a grinding party in general at high levels. I’ll take whatever I can get. The longest part about leveling at storage+ levels for me is finding a party.

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#13

Yeah, thats the issue here. Be picky and wait longer…
In addition, you wont know the exact build unless they tell you or you notice something is amiss. Prime example I have seen was a Krivis3 that did not buff Daino, claiming he is a dmgdealer and did therefoe not skill it. It is also why Swordman discrimination is so easiliy done. No Pelt = No Swash. You can see without asking.

#14

Hopefully we… I get to see more people like you, someone who is not picky about who they get in their party… cause well I am one of those players that goes for non-meta builds :slight_smile:

#15

No monks. Monks are bad!

#16

This meme is as dead as this game. Oops-

But really. If you do your job well, I won’t knock on you. It’s if you’re a crappy player who relies on only one gimmick, then I’ll start to discriminate.

Things get stale if you stick to the same formulas over and over. Taking a walk off of the beaten path won’t hurt every now and again. Which is why I can’t see why people won’t grind for a week with a picky, perfect party over just grinding with people and chilling while talking and killing things. The game’s PvE isn’t super hard to warrant pickiness aside ET, where player combos become more required and quirks need to be shown.

#17

honestly myself, I’d rather create a party and call out the ragtags who wants to join. Everyone’s free except I try to limit 1 class per slot since the additional exp is good, nevertheless I find it enjoyable creating a party and having a decent talk while grinding, I found interesting people in this way and nevertheless they’re build is off-meta but kicks ass.

#18

You may have a point about the content aside from ET being doable without a super perfect party lineup. But still, there are party oriented builds that suffered a harder lvling time to finally reach the content where partyplay becomes relevant. Their hard work would be deemed worthless if you grant equal treatment to everyone regardless of build.
Also everyone grinding must be asked a question. What do you grind those poor truffles/etc for? If exp is the answer, then it calls for a good lineup without exotic builds that dont really contribute.
The degree which the lineup has to meet is decided individually of course.

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#20

I really dont give a ■■■■.

#21

Yeah, efficiency is something to keep in mind, but if you worry about efficiency then you’ll start to heavy nit-pick on things that are more passible. If I see a Hunter, I don’t see “You don’t have QS or Ranger! You scrub!”, I see “Oh, just an Archer. Alright.”

Now if you’re literally dragging everyone’s feet down, that’s when you start to get troublesome. And if you’re going to be a toxic little waste of space, get out. I’m just lax to it all, I guess. A party with a pelt will kill faster than without one, but at the end, you’re still killing things.

#22

I would argue that in a grind party, I’d want at least an AOE specialist, doesn’t have to be Elememe but anyone who can clear dense packs at a reasonable rate. A peltasta/healer is great to have but isn’t a must have as I can always rely on potions. Other than that, I don’t really care.