Tree of Savior Forum

P2W Model Prevents People From Playing & Enjoying The Game

General Discussion
#222

Well i’m perfectly fine with stat booster scrolls IF the items they enchant are NOT usable in PvP… as far as PvE is concerned just do wathever you want.

TO me the absolutly main problems with the token system are:

  • team storage locked: that means that crafting classes are totally useless since you can’t give your character item crafted and, even if you decide to sell crafted items for profit you still can’t give the money to your main character and will end up having a totally useless crafter. As it is now the locked team storage is exactly the same as having the crafting classes locked behind a paywall.

Luckily my post in the suggesion section about this matter seem to have been liked by the staf so hopefully they’ll at least debate it.

  • 1:1 trade. I don’t really care about this one BUT from experience i can easely say that new players, that unlike us have not be waiting for Tos from years and do not follow the forum, will be very shaken from finding out they can’t trade since trading is considered to be a basic feature of any mmo. This mechanic so will unluckily make ToS lose a tons of new players before they even realise this is not such a big deal.
#223

Maybe they can revise the trading option, I think there should be a feature which will let you trade to someone who has been on your friendlist for about a week or so.

By limiting trading, they’ve found ways to make sure bots don’t over run the game and the RMT will be much lower than usual. It makes a lot of sense, and tbh, id rather have no trading, than have heaps of spammers in the cities and stuff, dont you guys? :3

Bots are annoying, and ruin the economy making it hard for newbies to start up in the longrun. By killing off the bots to the best of their ability, they can keep it stable for new players. Its a good feature used in many different games nowadays :slight_smile:

#224

As i said i’m not against locking 1:1 trade, as long as gameplay is involved. My fear is that this will scare away new players thus reducing ToS lifespan… that’s it.

I still think that the REAL problem is the locked team storage that makes every crafting class totally useless.

#225

We dont have items that lers you one shot some one. Go look for a free and no cash shop game. Leave the people thst like this game how it is alone.

#226

What crafting classes are you even talk off?
You can craft on any charecter in this game.

#227

lol… from this answer alone i can already say that it’s you that should go and look more into what this game is than me

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#228

That other MMORPGs give less, more, or exactly the same doesn’t really matter to me. What matters is that I am paying for exclusive access and to show support to the developers. But it’s a bit silly I am paying a price that befits a B2P price more. (See GW2 pre-F2P)

And what a nonsense argument. “Don’t buy it if you don’t want it”. Yeah, no kidding. I never said I didn’t want it. I want to support the developers and that’s why I am paying.

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#229

I agree it’s a nonsense argument. It’s stupid how people are trying to deter others from playing Tree of Saviors. What’s the point of playing a MMORPG all by yourself? You might as well go buy a console game if you truly wanted to enjoy a RPG environment.

Lately, I’ve noticed a toxic group that’s trying to prevent as many people to play the game at launch. I’m not going to specifically point fingers at X, Y, Z players. But, this group have been trying their best to reduce competition in order to have that small advantage over others. They do not know what “fun” is because all they see are numbers for “optimal” game play. They do not care for others nor the game because they’re trapped in their egocentric bubble.

When the game goes downhill they’ll say the game sux and blame everyone else. Yes, I’m making more assumptions here because I do not wait until the problem arise but try to prevent it before it happens.

Please try not to get offended by this and respond negatively. All it will do is shift the general statement I made about a small community towards you.

What we need to do is be more constructive and reach a middle ground. We need to stop bashing each other and tell that they are stupid, worthless, crazy, and flat out wrong. Nothing is set in stone for Tree of Savior, but we can see it take shape. As players that spent money for early access, I feel like we have all the right and power to mold that shape into something better.

PS: If you think the game is good as it can be, you’re in for a rude awakening. The game is still in development with lv cap being 280/500. We barely got half the content opened up and much more to be added later.

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#230

Yes, you’re right. I also want to clarify that the reason I called it a nonsense argument is slightly different.
I called it a nonsense argument because of how obvious it is. It’s on the same level as ‘advice’ like “when you’re hungry, eat food”. People will buy things when they want to buy it, simple as that. There’s no need to tell people they have the choice to not buy things as if that’s a strong argument in any case

#231

People AL IS ON THE AH get it there.

#232

We are at midel ground. You can get the problematic items for cash or for in game silver.
What can be more midel ground.

#233

Its not an argument. Its 1 0 1 logic.
No one forcing you to get it yet you get here and cry over 3 speed.

#234

Stop using strawman arguments. I didn’t utter a single concern over movement speed, let alone “cry” over it.

And no need to give such useless “1 0 1 logic” advice. People are well aware they can buy what they want. No need to tell them that. Like I said, it’s as useless as telling people they can eat food when they’re hungry

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#235

Did u all experience this game/token system/magic scroll first before calling this p2w? If not, i think i will just flag this thread.

#236

Some of us did… Many here already played in kToS and followed the development very carefully.

#237

Then you know thatbin pvp it dont give that much.
Thingbis lots of people here cry over 3 speed they can get from the AH. How an item that you can get from the AH is p2w? What you win when you pay?
Pvp, not realt.

#238


just in case people didnt know what it mean. ‘LARGELY UNBALANCE’

i still dont know why people still argue about it. Still no valid reason to argue about it.

#239

ROFL
How can you like the game if you never played it?

Even if you can buy something on AH it’s pay2win, because prices are aleays rising so it will soon become impossible for new players to get it. Also if nobody will sell hats you won’t be able to get it. And RNG in cash shop is pure gambling and shouldn’t exist in the game.

#240

I did play in close beta 2.crafte for me is the items you craft from scrols you get from monsters/bosses. If you talking of somthing athere that this then please say what.

#241

I’ll let this speak for itself.

http://s12.postimg.org/lwq0dqajx/Greed_Imc.png

-.-

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