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Non-healer Clerics : why you shouldn't blame them

As a non healer Cleric I love dis.

Be a “real” tank and you’ll never have that issue even with boss 15 levels above and that without a healer… pelt 3 here with 60 dex and the rest in CON. Never needed a healer in missions and I always could easily tank both end bosses together…

As for OP… just let them talk… enjoy your game and if they annoy you honestly just afk sit somewhere and watch them reap what they sow.

Everybody do better DPS than you, yes you are a parasite.

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What is your level please??? Just to know cause, I think that you don’t know what is to tank 2 bosses on sia mission with PUGS.

When they have more than 10 levels they ignore a lot of blocks, its fun when they chain CC you.

I’m 265 on this tank. I do have a maxed out pelt 3 high guard, maybe that helps a bit with the well timed anti-cc swordsman buff. Forgot its name. I have over 60.000HP too… that helps as well. Having a 280 cata 3 dragoon and this tank I’m sure I’ve done more missions than you, and I can guarantee you that it’s not so difficult as a “real” tank to do them even while at a disadvantage. Other “real” tanks will agree with this. You will take damage but any competent tank will manage just fine if you don’t “just” press C like most…

Let me add that most of my missions runs last from 8 to 10 minutes… “rarely” more than that even with the worst of groups… bad groups will aggro one boss at a time while good groups won’t really care and group them together to fast burst them. A good tank knows timing and knows when to engage or disengage skills/buffs. Knows when to move, when to C, or High Guard etc. I don’t know why it seems so difficult for some…

thnx,also IMC must optimize matchmaking to identify troll builds like “DPS” Clerics and put them in low priority.

full support clerics are more of a load than dps/supprot clerics
a dps/support cleric can support just as wel land add some dps to help runs go faster



troll builds? uhhh wut?
u would rather hava a full support cleric than that?

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about if you don’t even know that dungeon instances only last 1 hour.

It’s entirely possible to go through dungeons without a healer, that’s that. People like you who like to get babysat all day by Clerics should just stop using the queue and make a party instead.

I was speaking figuratively, not literally if you didn’t catch it. That’s why I mentioned 1~2 hours. The time it takes waiting around to queue up, to find a party then the time it takes to run the dungeon as everyone sits around a camp fire.

Then wasting more time as either you can’t finish the dungeon because half of your teammates are dead or logged out and it closes so you have to start that whole process all over again and not even getting 1 run completed.

So I should have been more clear about it. No, not in 1 single run, but that doesn’t stray from my original feelings towards it.

Also, you gonna call me a noob for bringing a Cleric along? Are you kidding me? I guess the real pros queue up with 5 swordsman in the party.

Funny you should say that you included queue time into the 1~2 hour time limit but NOT include it when queued with a healer. You simply have no excuse for your ignorance on widely known dungeon mechanics. Please don’t make yourself look more like a fool, you’ll regret it.

People like you are the ones who log-out in dungeon runs, and is the exact reason why those runs fail. There are multiple ways to finish a dungeon without ragequitting like a baby just because there’s no babysitter to help heal up your sorry excuse for player skill.

There are also plenty of ways of avoiding damage entirely for a tank if he/she knows what he/she’s doing… Same goes for plenty of melee classes as well as everyone else. Only concern here are the mages/ranged enemies that either you can skip, or wittle down one by one until the deed is done, there’s no problem with that.

The thing is, if there are plenty of groups of people have managed to finish dungeon runs without a Cleric on every single dungeon so far, you simply have no excuse. You might as well just admit you’re a bad player at this point, but then again you already showed it to plenty of us.

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Usually I consider the main benefit of having a healer in the group to be not needing to waste silver on countless potions to ensure the run goes smoothly.

If as a cleric you refuse to fill that role, you might as well be a lump of cheese in the party, laughing manically at your sub-par damage while refusing to access your given skill set to support the party.

Good luck getting any groups for end game…

Probably ran more dungeons without clerics than with clerics. perfectly doable. If people work with each other you can still get a good pace going. Doing campfires is really not a big deal, unless you’re in a hurry which just lmao what just make a premade. It’ll get all your runs done faster, you don’t have to fuck up everyone else’s dungeon counts because you’re impatient/bad, etc.

honestly, quitters are more shit than any non-heal oriented cleric can ever be.

Also, surprised a game as casual as this has so many straight up scrub archetypes. most things, bar earth tower and idk wanting to grind spion archers or something is workable with any group of decent players even without optimal builds.

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6 million times true.

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Don’t get mad because you’re the leech who queues up for dungeon runs. There are people like you who contribute nothing to the party while they watch everyone else chug hp/sp pots.

But sure, you can get mad. I’m getting my runs cleared in 15 minutes while you sit around a camp fire after every mob kill.

I think you’re the terribad here.

Funny that you say this, as my first character in this game is an attempt at a dd cleric… Seems it’ll be fun…

Can you send a Screen Shot your equips please? I really want to see them. How much Block you have?

Actually your logic would be good…

…if the dungeons weren’t timed.

…but that’s potentially another issue.

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Leech? You shouldn’t be pulling out words out of your own ass, makes you more of a fool than you already are.

It seems to me you’re projecting your leeching habits onto me, when you’re the one who fits the criteria quite well. I can see why, if you can’t leech off a party in a dungeon run then you quit. Says a lot about what kind of weight you’re pulling when you’re in a party, and it’s apparently nothing.

Sure, quit a whole dungeon run when you can only get 3 maximum runs a day, essentially ruining the runs of multiple other people as well.

Meanwhile everyone else who managed to complete all 2/3 of their dungeon runs cleric-less because they aren’t spoiled brats like you get to reap all the benefits of what a full dungeon run should give.

The terrible person is the one that ruins the fun for others because of selfish reasons. Just go share your IGN and server to everyone here so everyone can avoid you already, unless you’re too afraid to give it up like how you’re too cowardly to even try a cleric-less dungeon run.

Look at this ad hominem statement. You’re making assumptions because you clearly cannot figure out what I’m even talking about now. Do you even know what I’ve stated?

I have a problem with leechers such as yourself who end up throwing a camp fire after every mob kill and afking while putting in as little effort as possible. That is the reason why I don’t bother sticking around to finish dungeons the majority of the time.

But yeah, keep goin’ camper. I’m sure you love to slow your entire team down with those camp fires.

Also, you don’t win your arguments by saying “gimme your IGN”. That’s like saying I have 2 chars over Lv.200 so I win and btw I do.

Ad hominem? Pretty sure this was an insult fest from the start, lol. This is not an argument, it’s me plainly burning you to the ground.

See, let me ask, where the hell did you pull out that “leecher” crap from? I never mentioned anything about it before, but suddenly there you are thinking I’m a “leecher”… from what? From nothing. You are the one assuming stuff here.

Now, a person who quits just because there’s no cleric in a dungeon queue party? Now THAT tells a lot about you. It tells a whole bunch of things. That

  1. You can’t pull your own weight.
  2. You like getting babysat by Clerics all day and think you can’t live without one when you can.
  3. You’re a leecher.

The very fact that you mentioned leeching in the first place seemed so out of place that it’s easy to assume that you are, in fact, projecting your playstyle onto this little feud of ours.

Exactly, might I ask, how did you come off that I’m a leecher? Quote me on that one. See, I bet you can’t find a quote that comes off that I’m one. But I surely can quote you on that one to prove you are:

See, if you’re really persistent in thinking what you’re doing is perfectly acceptable, you can easily tell us your team name and server already so we’ll be sure to know to avoid you when you’re queueing dungeons.

And again this isn’t an argument. It’s me burning you to the ground.

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