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Non-healer Clerics : why you shouldn't blame them

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#1

Hi fellows saviors,

As everyone I guess, I’ve experienced the “bad side” of the matchmaking system, which as you know, doesn’t make well-rounded teams (ie 1tank/1healer/2dd/1support); and with this fact, comes the one that you may often be in a team without dedicated healer, as it happens regularly. Hopefully, the holy trinity isn’t necessary to clean dungeons & missions, but of course it will always help if there’s someone in the team who can tank, and someone who can heal. But it is not a debate I want to go into with this post :slight_smile:

As a happy player of 2 sweet non-healer cleric twins, I’ve regularly been involved in PUG where I was the only cleric, which often led my partners to believe I was their dedicated healer for this dungeon; aaaand, well, as you imagine, if you only have a Lv5 Heal, it’s hard (but not impossible, eh) to play the healer role and keep everyone alive, especially when the everyone in question believe you are a true healer, dedicated to the sake of their HP, and happily jumps straight in the first AoE the boss drops.

The real drama comes after, when the players die and eventually start to yell at you, poor support newbie that weren’t able to save their precious little bu ttocks :’(

So, that’s not a complaint but a statement that I would like to share with every player who isn’t aware of that fact : nope, all clerics you see around are not necessarily full-time healers.
But of course, because we know we are the only cla ss that can heal one way or another, we will always try to help our partners to survive, even if we’re playing dd or support-types clerics.

My first cleric is an off-support, with only 1 circle of cleric, meaning I can only provide 2x5 tiles of heal every 22 seconds. Most of my time, I carve statues and put lightning-AoE here and there, but of course if I see someone low-life I will use my little heal to help, for the sake of the team.

My second cleric is a Sadhu dd, but with clericC3 in it. My main purpose with this char is to damage things, but because I have 2x10 tiles of heal aswell, I’ll heal anyone who needs it without complaining, even if it’s not my role.

That is the state of mind you will often find in people playing cleric cla’sses : even if our builds aren’t healer-builds, we will use the smallest heal we have to help you survive ; so please, don’t be d*cks and start insulting the cleric when you die, and understand that :

  1. all clerics aren’t necessarily healers / heal-bots
  2. all good clerics will heal as much as possible, even if their builds aren’t focused on healing capabilities
  3. being unpleasant/insulting will only result in you dying more often than the others teammates, because the cleric will be mad at you
  4. there is always something you can do to avoid unecessary damages and give some breath to your cleric partners : escaping AoE’s zones, not standing in front of the boss when you aren’t the tank, etc

Because ToS is now F2P, I found it was a good opportunity to tell these things while there are a lot of new players discovering the game and its mechanics, and of course because not everyone is a pro-gamer who knows everything on the first 20 hours of gameplay… So, now it’s said :slight_smile:

Happy gaming and see you IG !

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#2

Don’t be upset. Random pubs are always so horrible. I usually just leave whenever I don’t see any cleric classes lol.

#3

Oh, I am not, really :slight_smile:
Actually, I’m not sure if I’ve ever been insulted - oh yes, one time, because I entered the grind zone of a random douche XD different thing ^^
But as game becomes more and more challenging and probably requires more heal capabilities, I’m afraid this will come to be some kind of routine for support/dd clerics, and if my little words can minimize that, well it’s cool. ^^

#4

As Tanker I would like to say that I don’t care about how many circes of cleric are taken by healer dude, I just need some little heal from time to time, it’s impossibru hard to tank without healer in missions which monsters are higher than me for 10 lvls and they pierce my block.

#5

you don’t need a healer, you need 2 hour buffs. if your so dependant on clerics you will never make it past circle 5

#6

Don’t worry, people don’t know how to properly run a dungeon.

I will just add one small thing: everyone knows the matchmaking is random, thus everyone should be ready for a party with no dedicated healers. This means bringing potions and advancing more slowly if needed.

#7

Every dungeon run I’ve done, 50-145 range, I used Search for Party feature. When I do this, I expect to receive a high amount of bonus exp for risk of not having the perfect party.

There has only been 1 time I didn’t successfully complete a run and that was from people like yourself bailing from the get go and wasting one of my dungeon entries when the rest of the group gets demoralized and leaves afterwards.

In some cases I’ve had to finish runs with as few as 3 people left ( including myself of course. ) Frankly, expecting to get healers is off, just do your best with what you get. Use campfires / potions / peel for party members near death, and the point, don’t be a quitter.

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#8

I agree with 95% of this topic except by the part of “we are the only cla ss that can heal one way or another”, all cla.sses can heal, it is called “Potion” and you can use this marvelous item when you are dying/missing some hp. So please don’t be a douche and help your self to stay alive.

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#9

I agree with OP.

don’t be a scrooge and bring potions… use them if need be, with or without a cleric.

don’t expect the cleric to tend to the entire party’s wounds~

#10

its almost mandatory to have a strong healer / support for earth tower, which is pretty difficult, to the point of feeling imbalanced.
otherwise the rest of the content can be done with alch potions and minimal healing

#11

I’m sure it is, really - have seen a couple videos and I wouldn’t imagine doing this as a “healer” with my non-healer clerics… Mainly because I’m not a healer, which is the entire point behind my “manifest” :slight_smile:
However, this is the type of content I would gladly join as a support, in an ideal meta, but it is almost certain that it won’t be on PUG since, well, probably alot of players wouldn’t accept a non-healing cleric in the band. I still hope to be mistaken and that my owls/CD/immunity statues will be welcome there, but I don’t know yet…

#12

The only healer in a dungeon match that really annoyed me was one that onky used his heals to damage enemies.

I don’t expect every cleric to be a full support. I am planning in leveling up a dps/heal-bokor/doctor hybrid. I’m also prepared for no-cleric runs.

But if one can’t spare a single heal for the dying dps backline, that’s not good party-play…

#13

ive seen diev / druids work
the invincibility zones are great to have, but your party needs to do tons of damage because the mobs there start spamming reversi

a heavy healer and a heavy offensive support is very beneficial, but the other party members have to bring loads of damage.

most people take chrono / linker for offensive support and
paladin C3/PD with Cleric C2(10 heal tiles) for their dedicated healers
(PD’s can also deal tons of damage if your playing with wugu’s or anything with lots of debuffs so they have the potential to double up as dpsers)

#14

i have a sadhu dps cleric, i also just created a wizard, and im scared for the no cleric runs. on cleric i only buy sp potions ( which i usuaually never need due to clerics high sp pool and sp recovery), i an say that i add some dps t my team and can heal pretty good, idk why people try to go full support, that will just make ur life harder, just like add in 1 circle of bokor for effigy, or druid for carnivry and telepathy (a.k.a the gg skill)

#15

Lol. You play easy dungeons that could be practically done with 5 swordsman classes.

But sure, I do 190+ dungeons here. Unless you have a healer class, good luck wasting 2 hours trying to finish 1 run.

Please tho. I’m tired of people like you who think it’s great to set up a camp fire after every mob you kill.

#16

would cleric>priest>priest2>priest3>chaplain>cleric2>doctor be better

or should i replCe cleric2 with krevis

#17

Nice post.
It happens all the time with my cleric…

And its the same when u are a swordsman class… but then u will always be the tank, even if u are a dps swrdsman. Will always be ur fault if the mobs go after another party member.

#18

I have done dungeon 190 without cleric, no 5 swordmans, but not cleric neither. How could you ask? Well, the marvelous item call “Potion”.

#19

Amen to that, from a Cleric 1 > Priest 3 > Monk 3 DD

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#20

Nobody said it was impossible to clear a dungeon without a healer bro. Without a healer you’ll likely end up 1~2 hours into the dungeon.

With a healer, prolly clear around 20 minutes.

Your choice but I’d rather not spend 2 hours trying to finish a dungeon with people who are just chatting and afking while I’m wasting all my sp/hp pots trying to clear the dungeon for them.