Again, youâre taking into account builds that are not focused on optimizing dps, whereas Iâm talking about builds that solely focus on optimizing dps, which is the primary goal of a dps role isnât it?
If Iâm trying to max out my dps, why would I care about Cataphractâs mounted ability and waste ranks on that?
My entire conversation revolved around builds that aim to optimize dps only, in case you havenât got it already by this stage.
If youâre going to go on about builds that fulfil not just dps roles but other roles like support as well, then thereâs not much more to this conversation. Weâre talking about different things here. Frankly Iâm too tired to repeat myself so unless you have anything more meaningful to add to the conversation, Iâm not going to waste my time on you anymore.
Dude, me saying it doesnât translate well is the same as you saying itâs not perfect. I didnât say that you couldnât do Hoplite3 and Doppel1. Read the comment you quoted. The other point is the fact that very little to no people actually went thru with such a build.
Okay okay okay okay⌠Me sorry, Dude.
Okay for Corsair & Doppel, but generally when someone wanted to be a Cataphract, (s)he chose Hoplite first, thanks to the spear skills (so 2/3 correct).
How many hoplite skills can Cataphract use?
No, generally people would go barb before Cataphract to get the Savagery buff to use with the spear or they would go Swordie 3 for better buffs, not many would go hoplite just for cataphract.
Well I believe that was before the nerf to Barbarian even though itâs still a very good class, at least some people would go hoplite because it has more attack skills and not reliant on buffs.
This however is now a moot point because you can get both now 
But seriously, I get too bored with auto attacks so I would probably have gone Hoplite seeing as I was the one who made the Spartan build way back when.
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Yea, my point is that the new system added more builds to the swordsman tree in favor of the hoplite, it didnât replace the old hoplite build as GoldenCross was saying. And like I said, people were going Barb to get Savagery which is great for Cataphract.
And the new system is in favor of what you are saying. Instead of being locked to Hoplite1 to take Cataphract, you can go Hoplite2 or 3 and then Cataphract if you wish.This interests me because I plan on making at least 3 different swordsman charac ters and 1 of them will focus on Hoplite. You can do more with the Hoplite now, and also the Rodelero in that case. I can now go Pelt3 Rode1 and Squire1 for my full tank build if I donât want Cent.
New system is giving us more options which is what some people are arguing against.
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Personnaly, Iâm arguing against it, not because it gives us more options, but because it gives us too much options.
It only need a little rework, between the old and the new system: be able to backtrack only the classes we chose previously, and not be able to choose a previous unchosen class (i.e. if you chose for Rank 2 Highlander, you musnât be able to choose Peltasta in the future ranks).
Iâm just wondering but wouldnât this be almost exactly the same as the current ranking system considering you would only need to give up on DPS or Support for 1 Rank up to build your class however you liked⌠oh wait nvm. Forgot that Hoplite and Barbarian are on the same Rank. Carry on.
instead of making you can pick all class in every rank. how bout make the class choice in same rank? like you cannot take pelasta and higlander. or pyro and cyro
the system is you must take 1st class in their original rank, if you do so then you can take the class advancement in every next rank.
for example:
you pick sword-higlhlander-barbarian-barbarian2⌠next is you cannot take pelasta, hoplite, rodoleo, cataphract⌠since you didnt pick the 1stclass in their respected rank⌠but you can take advancement of highlander in rank 5 to higlander2
if you can choice all class⌠i think it make the game class soooo absurd.
Donât like it at all, Itâs all about picking the most broken/stronger skill.
This system is IMO killing the diversity of build. The previous system was all about making compromise beetwins your job advancement, now itâs all about âpicking whatever skill (by choosing job/rank you want) you like/feel OP/STRONG/COOL/FUNâ.
Can already say 90% of optimal Cleric build will go for Cleric rank 3, especially when we gonna have a lot of level/rank to use. (Like whatâs plan 10 rank advancement).
Kinda Meh update. First big disapoitement about TOS so far.
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i think you ppl missunderstanding this new system.
from my logic and what i see, it is just basically rank swap. for example:
case A = if you go with cleric - krivis - then you have 4 choice instead 3⌠it is cleric2 / krivis2 / bokor / dievebirds.
case B = if you go with cleric1 - krivis1 - krivis2, then you miss a chance to select cleric2 again
case C = if you go with cleric1 - cleric2 - bokor1, then maybe you can advance to krivis1 - krivis2 / bokor2, but you cannot take krivis3 since krivis only available in rank 2 to rank 4
from my logic, i think the class will become available again as long it is still in the reachable rank.
the confusing thing, can you pick âclass1/starter classâ that not started in the current rank??
for the example is case C, krivis1 belong to rank 2 advancment. if you cannot, then case C is invalid. And i hope it cannotâŚ
I might be the only cleric not getting DM / Cleric 3 lol as i am going a full DPS Bokor/Krivis build and there was a video showing how DM does not effect healing by much i think it was 50 more healing from heal but that Restoration from paladin is what doubled his healing effectiveness so i guess it just depends on what kind of group composition you have if you group with people
Well, from what I can see youâre talking about on-paper DPS, which is impossible to achieve.
In reality, between things like moving to avoid attacks, surviving some AoE, thereâs far more factor into your in-game DPS than what you think.
Thereâs a saying of dead dps = 0 dps for a reason.
AndâŚwhy are you against the new system that let you optimize dps better again?
Let me ask you, which have higher DPS amongst these? And donât assume thereâs pet Centurion/Squire/Corsair to give their buff to you.
Swords2/Barb2/Corsair2
Swords2/Hoplite3/Barb1
Swords2/Hoplite3/Centurion
Swords/Highlander/Barb3/Squire
?
If theyâre all about equal, I think the fact that player have OPTIONS to pick is in favor of keeping the new system.
90% of people will not go Cleric rank 3. 90% of people are not Cleric C3 in kCBT. I still can not see why people assume C3 clerics are good? I actually see a much wider variety of all classes in kCBT right now, after this change.
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Dead DPS isnât 0 DPS ⌠Zaibas and Fire Ball last past your death⌠I think. Okay Iâm just trying to BS my way into making this saying wrong
BTW do zombies from Bokor live even after you have died or do they unsummon? (same question to Necromancer and Sorcerers)
this is where the non-shared warehouse comes in!~ without shared warehouses, its useless to make multiple accounts with money maker classes without playing it, i can go into details if you want
They (zombies) still persist through death.
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Lol people thinking DM is op know nothing about ToS mechanics. Its a âmehâ skill at best.
@FatePGN Because people think divine might is some OP skill lmao. They dont understand the way skills scale on this game.