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Need a little advice on archers

Hi there named Destrix (IGN) and I have a little issue on my Archer classes.
So far I have

Archer1, QS2, Sapper,. Going rogue3, mergen. Is this a good rogue build? I wanna keep c3 rogue.

My next build is
Archer, ranger,sapper, wugushi. His next ranks would be wugu2 scout2,scout ,2, hackapell. Any advice?

Lot going on here that I think makes the character sub-optimal.

You’re going to be missing key skills from your lower ranks, which you don’t unlock until QS3 (running shot) or sapper 2 (broom trap).

Also, mergen skills require 2h bows.

If you have your heart set on rogue 3, I’d approach it a little differently. Think about what synergizes well with that and work around it.

2nd build doesn’t work as you have one too many ranks in it, though similarly I don’t recommend it, wugu2 and sapper2 (I think is what you meant here) have high damage, but they’re on long cooldowns. Also not sure what scout 1 (can’t go scout 2, you don’t have enough ranks) would get you over falconer 1 except cloaking, and I don’t think the build works as well with cloaking as it would with circling.

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What would you suggest for both builds? I don’t mind restarting those 2. I want 1 bow user and a rogue.

That’s really tough. I’m probably not the best person for advice on a good rogue 3 build, but you might be able to save the other one with sapper2, wugu2, falconer, mergen.

I don’t think the other one will work at all with rogue3.

don’t take sapper if you’re not planning to go for C2 since claymore is annoying to setup, punji is situational, stake stockade can be pretty decent but it requires u to lure monsters. Broom trap is the only reason why people take sapper… and as Csiko stated … it’s not ideal to go mergen with your first build.

Hmm…

Listen… you are kinda new to the game so i’ll tell you that your qs2 build will only work if you forget about the rogue 3 and go for a full duelist 2v2 pvp build.

Archer 1, qs 2, hunter 2, scout 1, cannonner 2. It’s the build of one of the top pvp players I have to fight, and it’s very effective.
QS have scallops that protect him from magnetic force and inquisitors, and at rank 2 of qs you can kick diev towers. It’s even easier if you have scout. But you can swap scout 1 for rougue 1.
Hunter 2 because you can 5 minutes cc someone and make the arena 2v1.

But if you in Archer that much… please, don’t try to build something new of you are going to waste your time.
Play as ranger 3, sr 3. Or wugushi 3, mergen. You will have a fun character to solo missions and do stuff fast and furious

Read up on cookie cutters/meta then reroll.

Seriously, new guys should always go cookie cutter/meta. When you have money to throw away, THEN you experiment. Chances are you also have a better understanding of the game by then.

The thing is that I Really don’t like builds that everyone and rheir mama has. I like to be different if only slightly. Which is why half the time I like classes people least use. Now with the rogue 3 build I’d like to stay on a path that has rogue c3 to it. Now on my wugushi… I am slightly ok with him, the thing is I don’t wanna go cannoneer or anything g with a gum. I’d like to stick to bows. ( which is why ppl say go mergen.)

Even if you say that, we are still going to point you to meta. Unless it’s changed, meta means going for the “most efficient”, “easiest way”, ett. Want a rogue3? We’ll give you the meta rogue 3. If you don’t want even that, why did you ask in the 1st place?

Well I ask cause yes I will take peoples idea’s into consideration cause I like to see what Vet’s have to say. Sometimes trying something different might bring out a different outcome. The complicated part to the rogue 3 build is that there is only 1 Guide on it. This is the only Rogue 3 guide ive been able to see and its sorta outdated. Now onto my male build. I would like a bow meta build, This one i really don’t mind meta. The 3 classes im considering taking (not exactly in the same build is Hunter, Falconer and Scout. Is there a detailed guide on Archers like there is on swordsmans? no one has posted a synergy/build/stat/ yada yada on archers which makes it complicated for me to build something.

Then you have to answer this 1 question: Why rogue 3? It’s like answering why not just rogue 2 or rogue 1? Why rogue 3? Incidentally, the only answer to that question is [burrow]. Do you agree?

Well yeah, im not gonna lie. Burrow looks like a real viable pvp skill.

Ok then. I’m gonna hit you with the problems many have seen with rogue 3 (and why its not really played much, which happens to be a reason you are drawn to it). It is r5 - 7 with very little damage. That means damage is coming from r1-4 and r8. How is this bad?


In your case your damage source is A3-Sc1.

  • Why not an r8 class? Because nothing in r8 can be used while burrowed.
  • Why not take something from a lower rank but works with [burrow]? Because you get left behind in the power creep. Lets look at 2 similar skills: r8 [sharphuggning] and r7 [backstab]. Lv5 [sharphuggning] is 6670 skill damage while lv10 [backstab] is 1476. Both hit 2x. That is just to show how the numbers jump (there’s the karacha set for [backstab]) from r7 to r8.

Your only choices in your other ranks are single target.

  • You need scout to [burrow] in peace. The animation takes too long to [burrow] you will take damage (sometimes even die) before you become invisible without [cloaking]. That means [broom trap] from sapper 2 at r4 is out. You can sort of AoE with [multi shot] but you either need falconer (competing with rogue 2 at r6) or a sh*t load of AAR (not really an option for archers, we have no equivalent to 5hammer). You can solve this with money (better def) but you won’t have that yet cuz “1st toon”.
  • Why is that a problem? It means you will have to solo all the time. It’s doable but “harder”. Grinding parties (when you actually need to join 1) won’t want you, leading to quests. Some quests are impossible alone unless you outlv the content (in which case you don’t have to do those quests anyway). You can bypass this “problem” with money, which you won’t have a lot of since “1st toon” (see the pattern?).
  • You also can’t “chose” which targets to hit in case you come up against more than 1 target beside each other.
  • Rogue 3’s saving grace is single target [backstab] (something you could have gotten at rogue 2) but its damage is tied to a lv 170 weapon set. You can’t expect to keep using that beyond 300.

You’ll be fine if you pvp more than pve because there aren’t that many targets in pvp.

Money isn’t much of an issue. My paladin stocks up. But I can see where your getting at. In short t
Words rogue 3 sucks unless given more options at rank 8 which can be used with burrow. Questing isn’t a hard thing to do nor soloing at times. I’m a solo player with no guild so I do everything alone cept for in dungeons. But I will look into a decent build fr rogue.

Rogue 3 is useless. Rogue 1 is very good.

Why do you want to be rogue 3? You will have no fun lvling or playing a useless character that does not do enough dmg for anything.

You want to be a pvp glass cannon? Go for scout-cannoner , give em a canon blast using cloak. It will be a one hit k.o. to almost everyone, unless you are a full con sword.

You see? pvp is broken.
What do you want? Hit ppl with basic attacks using burrow?
You will do peanut dmg, probably >>1<<, cause their armor…

And more, archer + pvp = hard time.
Have ever heard about Tree of Clerigs?
Yeah, everybody will be a inquisitor.
If you really wannt pvp then get scout and some r7/8 brust.

So, if you wanna pve, then you are looking for aoe,
and rogue have NONE. It sucks.
If you are thinking of going mergen, don’t dare to make one without falconer.
Unless you want to hit 3 monsters at time.

Do you wanna be a meta aoe? SR3.
Just press the button and run.
Or maybe cannoner when patch comes.

About sapper:
C2 is cool till you get to high lvl maps,
when your broom trap will do peanut dmg.
Conclusion? c2 is not enough. Take c3 or do not take it at all.
The buffs only help when you get to c3, rip c2.

Hackapell? You sure?
You know, it is not very popular.
And this is probably because >>IT SUCKS<<<.

Not as bad as rogue c3, but still bad.
You can hit and run in pvp and somewhat do good with bosses.
But there are better options.

Wugu does not bad,
It is receiving buffs. It does a ok dmg.
But it doesn’t crit.
You will have to go str, what is bad.
And the rest of your build will have to adapt to it.

At last:
You say money is not a problem, right?
So why dont you go ar, rang c2, wugu c2, rogue c3?
You can go full str and buy a deck of werewolf cards.
And transcend your weapon till the end of times.

You will do a lot of dmg.
A LOT.

With this you will not need of r8 base dmg,
and your burrow will be effective.

The problem is; you can do same amount of dmg spending way less…
But not with same style, of course.

GLHF.

Well I did say I was gonna look up a different build. Not c3 rogue. I wanted to have a character with 1v1 capability to kill fast. With the option to aoe also.

Ok, then have a cannoner.

Best build:

archer>ranger 3>scout>falconer>cannon c2.

pvp and pve.

brust and aoe.

wugu is good, (but it doesn’t good as it should be)

fix patch will coming to itos soon

u don’t need str even wugu poison scale with str/patk

just go full dex as usual, get good weapon, use gem for physical attack then u will be fine

get lv1 kneeling shot, use it after u throw all poison to add your dex to attack

if u still want to play full str/high str wugu, u also can
just take rogue1 after wugu3 at rank7, critical problem is fix
with rogue at r7, u can use feint with barrage (if r1-r3 is archer-ranger-archer)

wugu attribute still bug now, hope fix patch come to itos soon

He doesn’t want using a cannon or a gun, and the new [bazooka] pretty much killed off ranger-cannons.

Killed? Nope, nobody is gonna stand there using bazooka… its like 2 sec to set up or leave bazooka… Not very useful, It is really situational.
Steady aim is a reliable dmg boost till the end of tos.
Plus, barrage and spiral arrow still bread and butter skills.