hi everyone! tree of savior indo forums stink so im here with a few questions…
Im currently cleric>priest>diev c2 with an int>spirit>con spread
im really at a lost where I should do next, going for the only full support neccasary for an end game party.
is cleric c2, priest c2 and top off with diev 3 any good?
or drop diev c3 for plague or khabalist Im really lost X_X
oh anyway to put pardoner in? outfit is cool and a neat mag def buff… shame cerlic c2,priest c2, diev c2 and pardoner will be a bad build right? is indulgentia str or mag damage?
Cleric>Preist3>Diev2>Pardoner - no cleric c2
Cleric2>Preist>Diev3>Pardoner>PD - i would do this if i were u
hmm pardoner c1 any good? honestly paronder realy is tempting…
which is better in healing cleric2 or priest 3? or are both equal and depends on the AI of my team mates (they have no real intelligence)
heal tile running XD
cleric2 heals> preist3 heals
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hmm pardoner c1 any good? honestly paronder realy is tempting…
which is better in healing cleric2 or priest 3? or are both equal and depends on the AI of my team mates (they have no real intelligence)
heal tile running XD
[/quote]Yeah, Pardoner c1’s pretty good. And C2>Priest1 is more than enough for endgame healing. (Just make sure to never put more than 1 point in Monstrance, 1 point on it is pretty good tho.)
If all else fails and your party is about as intelligent as the zombies from Bokor, you can always have lv5 Resurrection from Priest 1. Restoration scrolls from other Pardoners boost your heal tiles a lot, too.
Cleric2 heals > Priest3 heals, however Priest does bring good defensive support with Revive and Stoneskin (and Resurrection). I’d pick Cler2 out of the two if you aren’t too keen on Priest3 though.
Cleric>Priest>Diev c3 > Cleric > Plague Doctor or Kabbalist
Cleric C2 - Heal and Safety wall
Priest 1 - Resu for Earth Tower
Diev 3 - Invul / Slow / CD reduction / Mana Regen / Zoning / Damage
Plague - Heal / Anti CC / Dmg
Kabbalist - Unlimited SP / Tao Gunka Card / Dmg
hmm okay im convinced will go cleric c2 and diev c3 for sure… as for the last circle… bloodletting>indulgentia? but the costume and it does magic damage XD
oh and how do dispeller scrolls work?
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hmm okay im convinced will go cleric c2 and diev c3 for sure… as for the last circle… bloodletting>indulgentia? but the costume and it does magic damage XD
[/quote]Bloodletting > Indulgentia in PvP and in solo PvM. However, in parties, it could be argued that Indulgentia is better, because it applies to the whole party (unlike Bloodletting/Beak Mask). Fumigate exists, but its range is a lot shorter, and it isn’t something that you’ll usually have skill points for unless you forgo points in Bloodletting/Incinerate.
Note you’ll be losing out on a lot of dmg if you do forgo PD though, at least PvM-wise. (Since Incinerate is really hard to land in PvP.) Indulgentia isn’t really meant for dmg, I’m not even sure if it scales off of INT in the first place, but even if it does 500 silver spam can add up really quickly.
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oh and how do dispeller scrolls work?
[/quote]They just remove all current lv1 debuffs from yourself, as far as I know.
I don’t like correcting people but I’d just like to mention that bloodletting applies to your whole party as well.
You place them in your hotkey, turn them on, and they will prevent any rank 1 debuff from hitting you. Each time it gets prevented, a dispeller scroll will disappear from your inventory.
I don’t mind at all being corrected so long as you don’t throw stones at me lol. Especially if the correction brings useful info.
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You place them in your hotkey, turn them on, and they will prevent any rank 1 debuff from hitting you. Each time it gets prevented, a dispeller scroll will disappear from your inventory.
[/quote]…that’s also nice to know.
But then, is there a point to Prophecy?
I mean, I understand most people in random parties probably wouldn’t carry dispeller scrolls around, but in premades and PvP/GvG it’s very easy to do. But should I really level a skill to 5 while sacrificing other potential useful options just for random parties?
thank you so much guys! … ugh why is PD so op… so lets see I got deprotect zone, monstrance level 1 debuff if it hits, silence statue, sp statue, cooldown slow statue thats 10 extra ticks of damage sigh at least tell me if I go pardoner in 1 rank I get a good magic def buff! right? in denial 
I’m not really looking to do damage I just thought Pardoner would be a good middle ground since it can cure debuffs but I am really liking that mag def buff…
k how bout cleric>priest>diev>diev>pardoner>cleric> PD ?
what are restoration scrolls?
and Im a lil confused at pardoner donation atribute… donations from pardoner master wut? sorry to bombard you with soo many questions I did my homework really and read a lot about the classes but it just seems there aren’t enough info 
Well there is big nerf to Bloodletting in kToS not yet here in iToS.
Prophecy will still be good to be used during Bloodletting downtime.
I’ve heard you can’t use dispeller scrolls in PvP arena in kToS.
@jojosudito Bloodletting isn’t particularly necessary in PvM though, as mentioned above, you can literally just tell your party (assuming it’s premade, which it should be for the important stuff) to carry dispeller scrolls. Which should be dirt cheap.
Rank 2 debuffs are exclusive to PvP, at least as far as I know. (Source is vyne’s mechanics guide, which tends to be right most of the time.)
Yes, the magic def buff is pretty good, considering that both in PvM and PvP it’s really important to be able to deal with magic, but it’s more meant for a SPR build. I’m not sure it’s good without any SPR. Discerning Evil can be pretty op though.
Restoration scrolls are scrolls crafted through Simony of a specific skill - in this case, Paladin’s Restoration. Other than the effect on the description, the skill grants you a hidden really strong buff to the healing of Heal tiles.
The build with Diev2 seems fine to me. Ausrinas Statue is pretty situational in PvM anyway.
Don’t worry about the number of questions, I probably ask more than you do and I’m still alive and kicking LOL
@mrshadowccg Yay, Prophecy has a PvP use in kToS then!..
…but my Oracle build is meant to be PvM-only. Oh well 
Well, at least in my experience, dispeller scrolls are not that cheap.
They cost around 500 silver in my server. That’s a fair price to pay to save you from a certain death during PvP. Cause you know, debuffs in PvP are much more deadly than PvM. If a cryo freezes you, consider yourself dead already.
PvP situations won’t last that long so you are usually not wasting that many scrolls.
But in PvM… Well… If a stupid mob like a Drake casts a fire pillar on you, you’ll lose at least a couple thousands silver from dispellers disappearing from your inventory. And then you remember you could of instead, not used those dispellers, not wasted that money, and just healed up the damage afterwards.
Of course, that’s just an example. But yeah, it’s usually not worth the money blocking that lacrymator grenade when you could just step a couple meters away and the mob will be dumb enough to follow you there (out of the cloud area).
I’m not filthy rich yet as to be wasting 500 silvers like that for nothing.
Debuffs in PvM become deadlier later on (when mobs hit like trucks), but then you’ll already have at least some debuff prevention skills (hopefully)…
not a big fan of pvp but I want to be able to sort of support if I am forced (friend is making a templar)… hmm so is pardoner>oracle better or pardoner> PD
in terms of status curing I have indulgentia… prevention looks like prophecy < bloodletting since its a pain to spam it proph =_=
damage wise pd wins againts LOLcles what damage?
but oracle wins in the anti magic department with counter spell and we all know mages are evil in pvp
and im stumped again oh wait is auserine super important in pvp? so much as to say diev 3 > plague since the nerf bat?
Pardoner is rank 5; Oracle is rank 6; PD is rank 7;
You can pick them all C1 if you want.
You’re not a fan of PvP but you want all the PvP things? You gotta decide yourself 
Honestly, I’ve never played a pardoner, but Indulgentia doesn’t sound very appealing to me. Prophecy or Bloodletting prevents you from getting frozen. How are you going to cure frozen status if you’re already frozen? And well, of course in PvP people will aim at you first (guys, kill the healer!!!11one11)
I’m not sure how a Pardoner -> Oracle -> PD would perform. You are surely VERY supportish and you only have incineration and the things before those ranks to deal damage.
Ausrine looks pretty good in PvP. But I don’t PvP myself so I don’t know much about it.
pardoner oracle pd wont work since I need cleric c2 to heal better so im torn between diev c3 or plague… oh right that freeze XD good point! I think ill finalize my build as cleric>priest>diev c2> padoner> cleric> plague unless someone here advocates for c3 diev by telling me its a lifesaver in pvp then I will cry 
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Debuffs in PvM become deadlier later on (when mobs hit like trucks), but then you’ll already have at least some debuff prevention skills (hopefully)…
[/quote]Yes, what I mean is, isn’t it fine cost-wise to keep those dispeller scrolls for when debuffs actually hurt you?