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My first Swordy - need (weird) Dragoon build help

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

So, hi guys.

After five Clerics and eight Wizards, I decided it’s time I give Swordy a chance.

So I want to make a Dragoon because spears are cool and I wanted an unmounted class because no slots for mount. And while Dragoon builds sure are plentiful, I decided to be dumb and different and use a 2h spear instead of a 1h spear like apparently everyone else. And there’s seemingly no builds for that.
As this is my first swordy, I know NOTHING about the skills. Like, seriously nothing at all. My friend told me to go Swordy2-Hop3-Doppel-Dragoon3, but didn’t know anything about how to skill for 2h-spears.

So, here’s the newbie questions:

  1. Do I just go full Str or do I need Con because I will be dumb and not wear a shield? I will not do Velcoffer, ET, Raids or world bosses with this character and just bumble around in fields and dungeons.
  2. What… do I even skill? My little Swordy is now rank 2 and I haven’t distributed a single skill point yet. A link to a good skill build would be appreciated, but just yelling at me what to do also does the trick.
  3. Is Swordy2-Hop3-Doppel-Dragoon3 correct for 2h spear Dragoons?

Thank you for every bit of help! :slight_smile:

#2

1h spear or 2h spear, a peltasta 2 will be handy.

IMO, take peltasta 2 over sword 2 and doppel

While doppel is useful, sword 2 isn’t. You won’t have shield, but guardian is usable and gives you plenty of def and damage reduction to cover for shield.

It’s also usable in velc even though you won’t do it… If you just like to derp around you will find pelt useful also for taunt switching.

Just a tip, sword 2 is one of the worst circles in sword tree.

2h spear isn’t dumb, some people (rich ones) switch into pikes for bosses and go back to 1h spear for mobbing or harder content.

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#3

Thank you for the fast and awesome help! Since I’m like… three levels into rank 2, it’s hardly an issue to just reset the rank.

I had heard that Peltasta is for shield-users. And I just looked at the skill simulator at tosbase.com and it told me that basically Guardian is the ONLY skill I will be able to use in the whole class. Like… what do I even do with the 20 skill points left over then if I go even Peltasta 2?

I thought Sword2 would be okay because of the Pain Barrier thing. That’s basically the only thing I know about Swordies - “skill Pain Barrier”. Not very much knowledge, I have to admit. Feels like I’m learning the whole game anew after having tried all the wizards…

“Derping around” is what I will most likely do. It’s like… all I ever do. Game lags too much for me to do anything that requires a party and me playing good. :stuck_out_tongue:

(Going to bed now, next answer will be when I get up. Not ignoring anyone who replies after this post, just sleeping.)

#4

Yes guardian alone is worth the whole peltastra tree.

I even plan on taking it on doppel, double mdef and def + 20% damage reduction is VERY strong.

Pain barrier becomes nice starting sword 3, or basic free rank from sword 1.

Gazing golems are your friend

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#5

If I could rebuild my dragoons, I will probably do
Sw1-high2-barb3-dragoon3 for debuff extend and rotation
Sw1-pelta1-hop3-cata1-dragoon3 for ride lul
With 150 ish con and 180 ish dex for evasion with free stats.

Reason being, after being playing with many build in velco raid, all my non pelta has no problem surviving even without ein sof and linker3 from enough jumping, evasion and block. I don’t have to depend a lot on healer be it using 2 hand weapon while holding most of the aggro in some party.

Imo, pelt2 probably the best circle at rank 2 and 3 but you don’t have to include pelt2 if you don’t want to.

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#6

if you aint doing end game you can use a 2h fork and be fine
P.S. shields are for cowards

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#7

If its your first sword char add Pelta 1 or 2 e mess around with a shield and swash to get the feeling, a sword without swash is just a melee archer that have to run around killing one by one, its terrible.

If you plan to rely on evasion remeber that finestra remove almost all your evasion and add a lot of blocking, dex for evasion is almost useless for a hop, but add a lot of crit damage.

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#8

With Pelt 2 you can do endgame content and still use 2h Spears^^

Its just to good to pass.

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#9

If you want to go full offense, you can go swordie3 - hop3 (hop2 - dopple is an option) - goon3 - max gung ho and go high STR to boost its attack value.

15 gung ho and 15 pain barrier are pretty valuable, but you will need to have good gear to avoid getting smacked down.

go rete1 at rank10 and the damage during pull and throw rete will be through the roof.

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#10

ps: this is not a direct answer to you but something to keep in mind for anyone who may want to follow that suggestion.
since they are talking about going 2hand spear; i just want to point out that reit debuff works with one hand spear and not two; so this is something to keep a eye on.
Enemies trapped by the rete will receive additional damage from Pierce attacks executed using a One-handed Spear.
Enemies trapped by the rete become momentarily unable to move and will receive additional damage from Pierce attacks executed using a One-handed Spear.

keep this is mind and thus we could avoid a lot of future threads about complaining that it does not work.

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#11

What about Shinobi at Rank 10 ? He could copy Soar and tooth. Something like this :

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#12

the problem with copying dragon soar is that shinobis don’t copy any attributes.

You won’t be able to copy dragon soar double hit count and you’re also increasing the cooldown on it.

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#13

With this in mind, it makes it even more bizarre to go 2h spear for anything other than a lancer. Trident Finish is ridiculously powerful.

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#14

yeah; overall rate debuff is strong but still is not a reason to avoid a full fleshed 2 handed dragon build! since dragon for example have the 20% extra damage against bosses when using two handed spear.
2 handed spear already have 15% or more damage than one handed spear (do not remember the correct value so pardon me if is not; but i believe is close).
and most important: dragon soar is the strongest dragon skill right now by far; and barb 1 buffs 50% of slash damage too; so going for standard 2 handed spear build i would recommend dragon with barb1 at least; something like pelta 2 hop2 barb1 dragon 3
of course this could not simple compare with 100% from rate debuffs for pierce skills but would make close to 85% for slash dragon soar against bosses plus overall 35% for all other skills with 100% uptime (since they are attributes/raw damage).
SO overall without going to the math to check everything i can say without doubt that rate debuff have a HIGHER BURST without doubt; but on long fights like velcofer i believe the 85% for dragon soar + 35% all the time have a stronger DPS!.

So yeah; 2 handed dragon build may to be so bad in the end; nor weak as everyone may think.

edit: just checked the attribute is 4% for large and 2% for boss; so is not 20 i believe; but 10% so just keep this in mind; the damage may be a little lower than before; but i believe would still surpass the rate debuff damage in long fights!.

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#15

Well rete debuffs have no effect on bosses unless you are rete2, so even after rank10 that wont help dragoons.

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#16

yeah; was doing a double check on reit attributes like i did with dragon before; and when i was going to write about this and edit the previous msg ; you already did so i just create a new reply.
SO; with this in mind dragon 2 handed spear have overall better damage than one handed spear and is complete valid to choice it if they want too!.

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#17

I would still go rete1 at rank10 even with 2h spear since Trident Finish is 2000+% SFR base, 15s cooldown at rank10, and Serpentine will boost it even if rete skills dont

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#18

Thank you everyone for so many comments! :slight_smile:

I hope you guys understand that most of the things I read here don’t make that much sense to me yet since I simply don’t know anything about the skills you mentioned yet. And Rank 10 is something I don’t worry about yet.
Basically I wanted to make a 2h-spear-swordie who doesn’t use a mount and everyone told me to go Dragoon for that, so that’s why I settled on Dragoon instead of Lancer.

Second, I sadly don’t have very good gear - every bit of silver went into my wizards so far and all I own at this point is a lot of spr and int gear, so my swordy starts at zero and will not have much invested at least until 350 gear since I want to know how things work out for me first. Because of that, the mentioned Swordie3-Hop3-Dragoon3 thing is likely not for me at this point - maybe later, if I end up loving the character, have good gear and get a rank reset. For now, I will go with everyone’s suggestion of taking Peltasta.

This leaves my questions about what to skill besides Guardian and Pain Barrier. Do I just follow a 1h-spear-Dragoon guide for that or would that be bad?
Also with Guardian available, do I still need to spend in Con or do I go full Str?

And, last and pretty unimportant thing, but several people got it wrong :wink: : I’m a ‘she’, not a ‘he’.

#19

Well yeah dragoon is quite literally your only option if you want a 2h spear swordie on foot.

For peltasta just dump the other points into swashbuckling and carry a 1h weapon and shield so you can swap and taunt, when needed.

For swordie just go pain barrier 5, gung-ho 5, bash 5. Use gungho when you don’t need the defense from guardian

I always recommend to get 50-100 con at least initially. From there yes put the rest in STR. Once you have gear you can decide to reduce CON and go full offense.

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#20

Sorry, we get out of point sometimes, so, for bumble around in fields and dungeons, as your friend said, sw2>hop3>doppel>drag3 gets the job done, using Pike and going full STR on stats and equipment bonus. It’s a solid and popular build, but, you will struggle in hunting grounds solo due lack of defense, I imagine that you will not plan to do it tho, thats why we ware suggesting you to take peltasta 2. But going sw2>Doppel it’s good enough for dailys and leveling.

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