Monk needs a buff?

[gzcoou]

am i the only one who thinks that monk really needs a buff?

from my point of view

Iron Skin isnt that usefull.

DoublePunch the “main” skill for Monk has kinda high costs for what it does. I mean the dmg isnt that good and the range is a joke and u have to spam it for 2sta each use. And with 36stamina u run out of Sta before the 30sec cd on the Stamina pills is down so u cant really spam it that much.

Palm Strike does bad Dmg and has a bad range like Double Punch and the knock back sucks too when u are in groups because u kick the mobs away which sucks for AoE’s. The only good thing is the DoT which isnt 100% chance.

Hand Knife like Palm strike…bad dmg bad range and the Knock Up is kinda annoying too. And the Armor Break from the Attribute does he even lower the Armor? from what i saw so far there isnt much change in the dmg.

Energie Blast is the Best skill a Monk has but even this skill sucks.
the cast time is extremly long with higher skill level and u can get interrupted. the Dmg isnt that good because well it each hit does dmg and with high skill level it does many hits but in the same time u could do more dmg with Double Punch. It just does more dmg against many monster at once. Which gets kinda hard when people pull the mobs out of the range of the skill. And i think the CD could be a little bit lower. The Range of it is good but i think it could be a bit wider.

One Inch Punch has bad range and bad dmg just the DoT helps a bit which isnt 100% chance and is weaker then Palm Strike DoT.

God Finger Flick is a Joke.

Golden Bell Shield well i’am just C2 Monk but i think even Golden Bell Shield wont be a game changer. I think it will be like Iron Skin just without the dmg reflec and its against range/magic instead of Meele.

And i think that even C3 Monk wont change that much.

I mean even the Tempel Shooter from Sorcerer out dmg and out range a Monk…thats a joke that the pet alone of a class is better then another class which is meant to be a dd class. Well sure just has the Pet to do dmg but the pet can do Dmg while the Sorcerer can still use skills from pre classes which can deal dmg.

overall i think
-Palm Strike,Hand Knife,One Inch Punch need more Range and not each of them but 1 or 2 should maybe…just maybe get overheat.
-Double Punch needs adjustment in dmg/range/cost
-Energie Blast should have a bit wider range shouldnt be interruptible from atleast monster aslong its not something like a knock back or knock up or something like that.
-God Finger Flick i dont know the skill is a joke since i dont even use it i dont know what still skill could be good for at anypoint even with buffs…if it would give a Dot or armor break or anything like that it could be usefull but for only for dmg even with buff it wouldnt be usefull aslong as it wouldnt do tons of dmg.

but well this is just my opinion…what do u guys think about monk? And just Monk not priest not Cleric not Paladin…just the Monk class.

sorry for spelling mistake but my english isnt that good and i’am kinda tired right now.
greetings

[A1mighty]

Yes, Monk is trash and pointless class atm.

[xyoukaix1]

LOL other people say Monk is completely over powered ! you just need to have chosen the right classes before ^^V

And If you have Heavy Armor mastery high you have a lot of Stamina points and can regain them really easy at all those roots that are like everywhere so you can just spam double punch
together with some priest buffs you deal a lot of damage for a “healer”. Well i know monk is not a healer but as the base class is a Healer it is really strong plus if you take damage you can heal yourself or protect yourself with a shield and so on …

So Basically if you did everything correct you get hardly any dmg do decent damage but can spam it nonstop and if you actually get a problem with your hp you can heal (and as you usually use double punch which needs stamina you hardly run out of sp)

[furkingbustar]

you need to adapt to the class rather than the class will adapt to you.

[A1mighty]

No, I was top monk for Klaipedia before I stopped playing it.
80 stamina doesn’t mean anything you use stamina to move, you eat consume 20-40 stamina pills per dungeon. which adds up to atleast 20k a run. You buy Glysotis, Holy water, powder. It’s a waste of money. Energy Blast has issues; if you get scratched by 1 dmg it gets canceled. Safety wall doesn’t block everything; Monk is slow as fck, Stone skin is nerfed in ktos so it will come here. Basically it’s only saving grace was pvp but with stone skin nerf its over.

■■■■ class.

ALSO;
Attributes are expensive as FCK past lvl 30; you better have atleast 15m to max them.

It is officially just my dungeon farmer class to get items; I have sold everything and use cafrisun/auto attack so I don’t waste money. total waste of 450+ hours.

The range of the classes aren’t the bad part, it’s not that DP does bad damage it does good damage actually but like the OP said; 2 stam a hit is stupid, and the cooldown of stam pills is retarded as fck. WHAT YOU CAN’t EAT ANOTHER FCKING PILL?.

YES I am mad because I spent so much fcking time for a sh*t class. GDAMNIT.

Energy Blast does good damage but then again I am attributed up level 70 SO FCK me it required so much silver and in the end a flea could tap me while charging for 20 fcking seconds to max and it will cancel.

It’s like those episodes of DBZ where a 5 minute fight takes 10 episodes.

[PrinceMark]

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[Hubert]

I would just be happy if they add an attribute to remove the knockbacks from Palm Strike and Hand Knife. That way I could use them in a party and actually do something helpful. Right now the knockbacks do more harm than good.

If we could get the buffs to Double Punch and Finger Flick that monks got in kToS that would be nice as well.

[go_hans_go]

I actually enjoy palm strikes knockback. I usually do hand knife + palm strike and just be on my way. They usually die due to the bleeding…

[gzcoou]

And If you have Heavy Armor mastery high you have a lot of Stamina points and can regain them really easy at all those roots that are like everywhere so you can just spam double punch

Well i have to say i dont have the Plate Armor Mastery because i mostly use Cafrisun set which is leather because to do Double Punch the whole time sucks…so the added hit from Cafrisun + Priest Buffs + Arde Dagger does good dmg not as much as Double Punch but has a better Range as Double Punch so does hit more Mobs and in the end could do more Dmg then Double Punch.

together with some priest buffs you deal a lot of damage for a “healer”. Well i know monk is not a healer but as the base class is a Healer it is really strong plus if you take damage you can heal yourself or protect yourself with a shield and so on …

well i sayd

what do u guys think about monk? And just Monk not priest not Cleric not Paladin…just the Monk class.

so why do u come up with Heals and Priest buffs which are not Part of Monk?
But ok its fine no problem because u should know the Dmg u get From Priest buffs isnt added to Monk Skill so that is atleast totaly useless…
and even better i’am c2 Clerci and c2 Priest because i go Monk i dont go for spr or int so mainly Str and Dex and if i use my lv10 heal i have to use almost all the healing circles from 1 lv10 heal to heal myself from like 10% to 100% so in Groups/Dungeon ohter people needs heals too and often i’am the only person who can provide support like this so i have to focuse on healing and buffing which isnt the job of a ■■■■■■■ monk because i didnt want to play a monk to support.
But what i wanted to say is the Heal isnt Strong its barley enough to be useful and the Satfy Zone u cant use it all the time for yourself just so that u can cast Energy Blast because maybe your Team Mates need it too because they are dying and u have no heal left to save them so u have to use the Safty Zone. And for Energy Blast u have to be step up to get the most out of it. If u cast it in a Satfy Zone which takes forever u maybe have to leave the satfy zone to get yourself step up for a good hitting Energy Blast and if there is only 1 Mob which hit u 1 time its all for nothing and thats bull ■■■■.

ah right

and can regain them really easy at all those roots that are like everywhere

where are the roots in Dungeons again?

So Basically if you did everything correct you get hardly any dmg do decent damage

and with “decent” u mean less the all other dmg dealing classes ? because other dmg dealing classes could do more dmg with normals atks or with skills as a monk.

[Levan]

I made a topic about it quite a while ago.

What's the point of going Monk really?

WARNING: BIG WALL OF TEXT AHEAD. If you are interested in making a Monk, I highly recommend to go through the whole thing. If you already have a Monk but have doubts on its power, then I also recommend you to look through it. If you have a Monk and you're quite happy with it, then feel free to either skip the whole thing and defend the class f you'd like, but I recommend at least going through some points and finding points to make him/her better than he/she already is, for you. Th…

The very fact that Monks are continuously getting buffs in kTOS pretty much proves that Monks are in need of it. But I have to admit, they’re not exactly the best buffs that a Monk needs to make the class on par with other DPS cleric classes.

[gzcoou]

Did u get priest 3 or what?

No i’am c2 Cleric c2 Priest c2 Monk so far.

What? dude my normal attack does 1K damage, my Deep Penetration does 3.5K on group of mobs at the cost of 2 STAM. wtf are u talking about?

and if u are serious u know that your Double Punch hits less enemys then your Normals Attack because the Range of Double Punch seems to be less then a Normal Attack. Which kinda makes sense because a Weapon has more Range then a Fist.

Also theres tons of stam crystal lying around which replenish ur stam to full.

where are the crystals in Dungeons? where u reall could need them because there are the mobs who you really have to do much much dmg so u have do spam double punch really like all the time.

heres the thing… whats the level of ur DP and whats the level of DP attribute? if ur using level 1~5 DP with 0 attribute then dont fcking expect high dps!

the thing is my Double Punch is lv12 and the Attribute is level i think 40 or 50. And compared to other classes which out range the Monk skill and sometimes out dmg the Monk skills the Double Punch just sucks.

its 90% chance! its AoE and it fcking hurts! you only need level 1 PS but you surely need a level5 bleeding attribute. My PS does 1K-ish damage but the fcking bleed does more per tik and it last for 41 seconds?

1.it is still not 100%
2. its AoE? well yes it is…but it has barly more range then Double Punch…what a great AoE
3.And it punches everything away wow best AoE ever its perfect for Dungeons when your group wants to do AoE and u can just punch the mobs away so that u can say to your group “■■■■ you”
4. HOW just HOW the ■■■■ do u get 41sec? i mean the Attribut says 8sec +1sec for each attribute level as of lv2 from the attribute so 2,3,4,5 thats another 4sec so at the end its 12sec
and if i use the skill and the mob gets the bleed its 12sec not more and not less.

its a CC skill thus you need to combo it with other skills base on ur build

ok lets combo a bad range/bad dmg skill with another bad range/bad dmg skill to make it still bad range/bad dmg…awesome

base on your build, you can get diev statue to lower the CD, you can also get priest buffs for protection and prevent channeling cancel, you can also wipe out enemy team with 1 EB.

like i sayd i’am c2 Clerci/Priest/Monk
and the funny thing about Safty Zone which i think u are talking about. it often happends that even when u are staying in it u still get sometimes knock back or knock ups or even dmg thats really funny. So it dosent provide the saftyness for 100% and even if u can charge the Energy Blast to 100% and u can use it if u are not in good position u have to leave the safty zone to get in a good position and if u get just 1 hit its all for nothing.

i think monk is not for you.

if you want massive damage then please go wizard or dopel etc.

I dont like Wizards/Mages in any MMO and i dont really want to play a different class.
The Point is Monk as stand alone is just ■■■■.
The Range
The Dmg
The Costs
Its all ■■■■.
Monk clearly needs a buff to compete with other classes. Monk so far is More Support then Dmg Dealer.

if you think a class who can heal, revive, support, buff should also have massive damage abilities, then ur doing it wrong.

since u go for Dmg u take Str or Dex or both. So your Heal are Weak and if you are not c2 or c3 cleric u have almost no heal.
Revive u have to be a Priest. Some People dont go for Priest and others dont take Revive because they think its not usefull enough…i had those peoples in my groups multiple times.
And the Buffs…yeah since i go Monk i dont max my Buffs and even if i had maxed them out…everyone should know buffs fall off the later the game gets because it is fixed dmg and not % dmg. Early in the game +100 dmg is crazy but with level 200 or even higher when u do like 2-5k dmg with skill +100 dmg would be just good if u do all the time many many many many many hits and even then +100 isnt that great anymore when mobs in dungeon have like 50k+ life. And some Atks/skill dosent work with Blessing and skills dont work with sacrament at anypoint.

Only stuff that does % wise stuff can be good really good.

And by the ■■■■■■■ way. i sayd

what do u guys think about monk? And just Monk not priest not Cleric not Paladin…just the Monk class.

so why are u talking about Priest,Cleric or Diev?
I mean its ok some people cant read so its fine by me.
And Overall Priest or Cleric dosent make a Monk a better DD they just give you the opportunity that u can support a little bit what is the main thing Monks should do right now because as DD they sucks right now compared to others.

[Matti]

Monk is super OP, they will not get any buffs just because some people made stupid class choices

[PrinceMark]

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[garienza]

I took the Krivis3 Monk Route instead of priest which I think is boring, So far I’m very satisfied with it, Zaibas fills in the weaknesses of Monk’s lack(or shortage) of AoE skills

I think Monk class is okay at the moment,
What I believe Monk need right now is a bit of refining in skills that seem broken

Double Punch - maybe a bit of longer hitbox, sometimes this skill tends to whiff when attacking at an angle, Stamina is not an issue for me, its an ok trade off for being spammable, Monks don’t need to chug HP and SP potions unlike the other classes so whats the problem with buying a few Stamina Pills?

Palm Strike - I find the knockback very usefull, the problem with this skill is the bleed attribute, Palm strike with lv1 attribute gives you 4 ticks of bleed but lv5 attribute (max) gives only additional 2 ticks of bleed, which seems to not make sense if you are buying 5 levels of attribute but gets only 2 additional ticks of bleed benefit

Iron Skin - too long cooldown to be usefull

God finger Flick - really bad… need to get fixed. bad effects/animation, poor range, poor targeting system( the target needs to be straight infront facing the character), poor targeting lock on, slow animation, slow hit- damage resolve ( coin spins on monster head for 1 sec before damage resolves) does not work on bosses ( I always get error - No Target available) and long cooldwon, maybe add overheat to this

Golden Bell - 3min cooldown!

[PrinceMark]

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[garienza]

Palm Strike - I find the knockback very usefull, the problem with this skill is the bleed attribute, Palm strike with lv1 attribute gives you 4 ticks of bleed but lv5 attribute (max) gives only additional 2 ticks of bleed, which seems to not make sense if you are buying 5 levels of attribute but gets only 2 additional ticks of bleed benefit

FYI, bleed and silence skill works great with PD incinerate. You can also use PD pandemic before incinerate. you can make the whole enemy team bleed and silenced especially when they try to stay within dievs statue buff range.

6 seconds is more than enough to cast pandemic and icinerate.

also since PS combos well with one inc punch and HF you can further increase the incinerate damage afterwards.

Sorry I don’t phrased it very well, What I mean is this skill si great the bleed is also great but I hoped at lv5 attribute they should have given this skill 10 ticks of bleed damage instead of just 6[quote=“PrinceMark, post:15, topic:260937”]
Iron Skin - too long cooldown to be usefull

Its a need to use only skill. example, when a swordie cast the spin spear skill, use this skill and the damage will be reflected to him. or when you see a user casting molinet, use this skill and the damage will reflect to him.

garienza:
Golden Bell - 3min cooldown!

My wiz and archer friends love GB. At Earth Tower, you can cast buffs then when the mass mob spawns, cast GB with SF attribute and let your wiz and archer party members cast their high DPS skills. if you have 2-3 elementalist on ur party then surely they will cast meteor.
[/quote]

Interesting, Noted! I will be dumping my unused points on monk c3 on these skills, just wish the cooldowns are a bit shorter

[PrinceMark]

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[gzcoou]

its base on how u stack up the mobs before using ur DP.

u cant really stack up many mobs that good…they dont stay in each other…they stay side by side…the whole thing u talk about makes much more sense when u have a Linker in your Group.

Wut… so thats it. You are comparing your damage to other class. Lelz. Again if you want a DPS class or High damage class then please go other class/build.

Monk is supposed to be a DD with a bit of support with Iron Skin and Golden Bell but his Support skills arnt that great and his Dmg isnt that good too because of bad range on the skills. And i dont want a high dmg class…but monk dosent provide anygood dmg because other classes out range him with higher dmg and more range/AoE’s if u had a addon which shows how much dmg u and your group did what u will see would be that u would be at the bottom because the dmg monk can do could be good if he would hit a good amount of enemys…if u had a linker which pulls all mobs all the time together monk could do really well but thats not the case…u dont have a linker all the time except u have one as premate.

did u check the skill AoE attack ratio? its 6 btw. If you properly stack the mobs and face them on a wall, you can PS them and they will bounce back at you. +6 attack ratio is around +2 to +3~ mobs on top of your normal attack ratio.

i did check the AoE ration and i was like “wow crazy Palm Strike has a 10aoe ratio and Hand Knife has a 6 AoE ratio” but well the realitiy is that 10 and 6 ratio is bullshit… becaue i played a Hoplite with a +3 AoE ratio and his auto attack hit more then my Palm Strike with a +10 AoE ratio… if the +10 would be true then i would hit tons of enemys but if they dosent stay near each other i will barley hit 3.

again if you stack them properly and against a wall.

u cant pull mobs all the time to a wall properly…for example when u have a peltasta in a group he wont pull the mobs the way u want it he just pulls them.

Priest buff such as stone skin and revive.

just what are you talking about ? i talk about that energy blast can be interrupet and u say “Priest buff such as stone skin and revive.” they wont change the fact that u get interrupet and WTF Stone Skin is c3 Priest dude and i sayd multiple times i’am c2 priest…

NO. in fact at Priest 2 you have 2 heal skills. Mass Heal which is a % base and REVIVE skill which heals 50% of HP then provides 10 seconds Immortality. + your cleric heal ofc.

again bullshit. ok that mass heal is % base was right but after that its bull ■■■■…Revive isnt a heal its like an instant ress to save you from death…and again i sayd multiple time’s i’am c2 Priest so the 50% is bullshit because with c2 priest its 25% and 5sec and not 50% and 10sec. But still Mass heal has a long CD and while the healing is good it happends sometimes that your team mates run out of range or they all need healing and they dont stay next to each other so u cant heal of them and when your normal Heal is down you they burned their revive already they have a high chance in dying when they have low life.

ReviveBuff that prevents death. Heals 50% of HP and provides 10 sec immortality. Applicable to all party members. Buff Duration 90 seconds, CD 120 seconds.

not useful?

yeah thats what some people sayd…i myself have revive and like it.

Wrong. Your calculation is not only lacking but also short sighted.

heres the correct formula to calculate it

BD = Blessing damageBDA = Blessing Damage AttributeBAC = Blessing attack countBACA = Blessing attack count attributeNT = Number of targetsNP = Number of players buffed with BlessingCRT = Critical DamageTD = Total Damage

TD = (BD+BDA) X (BAC+BACA) X NT X NP

with level 3 Blessing (BD +23 attack w/ BDA 30 attack count)with max level BDA +100 attackwith max level BACA +30 attack countwith NT as 5with NP as 5

TD = (23+100) X (30+30) X 5 X 5TD = 123 X 60 X 5 X 5TD = 7,380 X 5 X 5TD = 36,900 X 5TD = 184,500

EXCLUDING CRT value.

Since the blessing value is added on top of damage value before it gets multiplied with CRIT value + CRIT damage…

anyway, 184,500 damage is not something to ignore. its a game changer.

If you think blessing as a SOLO SKILL BUFF then please read the skill description again.

Oh btw, the example above is at level 3. every level you add, will also add 15,000 damage to the TD.

and also i did not add sacrament skill which is a unlimited hit buff which physical and holy damage gets multiplied too.

184,500 for 5People…thats like 3 mobs in level 190-200 Dungeon…so its not really a game changer because all like 35-45sec 3 mobs its kinda meh…often i forget to recast Blessing and there isnt much difference in killing speed so in Theory its maybe looks cool and stuff but in the Practice its not that cool…and even when u play alone +123 dmg dosent change that much…except the money to have to use to get the items to use the buffs…but ok maybe u think its a game changer and that fine by me but still its a fix stat not a % based stat…so maybe u are right and so far it is a game changer…what about lv600? that the way the game wants to go…the dmg will raise but the buff will stay the same…the later the game gets the more it will fall off…And the only good thing about Sacrament is that it gives u an additional hit the dmg it give is really small. With a Arde Dagger+Blessing Sacrament is good but Sacrament alone is kinda meh.

and u talk all the time about Priest buffs here and Diev Statue buffs and all kind of stuff and what if…thats all nice and cool but this thread is about the Monk as Stand Alone…this game gives so many possibilitys in class builds and if if class z only works if u have class x and y it just sucks…

[BlueByu]

did u just say energy blast and one inch punch do bad damge? r u blind?
energy blase is one of the hardest hitting skills in game, and when used against dark/plate type and linked with a high int person by spirit chain it is the #1 highest hitting skill in the game by a far range. and if u went diev u can loswer energy blast cooldown by 12 seconds, if u went preist, sucks for u. one inch punch isnt as good as energy but can outdmg a lot of wizard/archer burst skills

[Eldinen]

Maybe its because you took priest path. Diev monk has owls for aoe damage.
besides cleric 2 has fade, you can carve statues which can taunt lots of enemies then you can use energy blast from them back and kill them.

Love that.

Double punch its not so strong as other skills, that is true, but its spammable, you just use that instead of auto attacks, but if you want to clean a dungeon using double punch… Of course you cant