Tree of Savior Forum

Macro is allowed? (Updated with reply from staff)

General Discussion
#1

First of all, 1 guy in our community group make a guide how to use macro for AFK farming, and after a lots arguments, he sent a ticket to IMC, and here is the conversation:
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As you can see, he ask about Macro Recorder to “Record my activites” and get response from IMC that being said is allowed.
But for me, i think his question kinda confuse, and misleading. He asked about “record my activities” not “AFK auto farming” and that why i long fight with him few days ago. I don’t agree about using Macro for AFK farming, but he keep saying that IMC allowed.

Again, i read in IMC term of service and saw this:

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I warn everyone in the group, including himself, but he still say that he didn’t care, i challenge him that lets me record and report about his macro.
Here is my report post:


As you can see, it’s very clearly that this should be considered as a bot.
In the newest blog, IMC said holding down attack key may not consider as a bot but c’mon, it’s a macro.

Until today, his account still not be banned, i send several messages to some Staffs about this but remain without any replies.
So what are you guys thinking about this?

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Got banned for holding Z
AFKing with MACRO VS IMC Bot ban A.I
#2

Bumb
:ballot_box::ballot_box:

#3

People have just gotten banned for similar things. I think that says everything.

#4

It just means that guy is not getting ‘enough’ report to be ‘investigated’.

But they’re really starting to have double standard within their Terms of Service.
Example is exp viewer. Even though it clearly alters the game data and read the memory value (memory viewer) they confirm it’s okay to use.
The source is publicly available and anyone capable can modify it to read (& modify) other memory address. In the wrong hands, it could open the door to you-know-what. Who knows?

Nevertheless at least for now iToS publisher & dev listen more to the community.They’re clearly applying double standard within their Terms of Service.
The same with exp viewer. Even though it clearly alters the original game data and read the memory value (memory viewer) they confirm it’s okay to use.
The source is publicly available and anyone capable can modify it to read (& modify) other memory address. It could open the door to you-know-what. Who knows?

Terms of Service is after all the biggest lie every mmo publisher & developer makes.

Nevertheless at least for now iToS publisher & dev are listening more to the community.
Phew.

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Forgot to update the reply from staff.

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#6

Hacking and using macros are completely different things.

#7

you are right, but bots is the same as macros

#8

Here is my ticket reply about afk farming with Sorcerer recently if you’re interested, it also refers to macros:

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#9

Not entirely. Bots have an AI that can control a character and can react differently to different situations. Macros are a fixed and simple order of input (button/key presses) and usually behave the same way.

But they share the aspect that they can automate important gameplay aspects, “playing” the character in some way or another without a human doing the input, which is not allowed.

#10

Not this Bot vs Macro Bot :poop: again!

#11

i still rmb a ticket thay they told us that botting with macro + sorc is legal :joy_cat:

#12

Not really. All of the bots I’ve seen in ToS just follow waypoints and attack mobs they come into contact with. They don’t react differently to different situations, which is why if you drop a red orb level 200 mob on them they’ll run at it and kill themselves every time. Sure occasionally they update the script, like when they made it ignore anvils and run away from nearby players to try and avoid reports (some of them even change channels when you follow them now), but that’s not an AI reacting to different situations that’s the scripter reacting to player reactions to bots and making the bots more efficient.

A sorcerer autopotting or a necromancer running between waypoints with his skeletons following him is essentially the same thing but with less effort put in.

#13

The same advantages for defend “the macros” can apply them a “bots”, since the boundary that divides the “macros” to “bots” is very subjective, you’ll never know for sure when you end the player’s actions and the actions that are automated . if IMC allows macros is the same as allowing bots.

I think there are games in which the macros do not significantly affect competition between jugadros, but not for TOS, automate the process of gathering would give you a clear advantage over the other players (remember it is Hardcore farming).

And do not expect IMC can give a viable solution for allow “the macros” and prohibited the “bots”, this a complex problem (It has failed solve more simple problems) :stuck_out_tongue: