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Lost lamb in need of a Shepherd [Chaplain topic]

Class and Rank Cleric
#1


Hello again people. Thanks for helping me with my summoner build on the Wizard board the other day. My build this time is basically a limbo between INT and SPR. This is because I recently just realized that I do not appreciate holding down the AA button for 2 minutes every time I need to wipe a bunch of mobs.

My main gripe about this build is when mobs are CC-ing me and interrupted my Blessing, forcing me to kite 5-10 baddies while waiting for my Blessing to come up again (even worse when said mob is ranged so they’re the one doing the kiting instead asfhgajjaklkl). If this doesn’t kill me outright, then it’ll surely take 5 minutes off my hunting time. (I should’ve leveled higher if I quit yapping at the forum and just play. Please don’t hit me)

Questions:

  1. Whacking 2 mobs at a time takes a lot of time and a lot of health (and a lot of durability. Yeah I suck that bad). What should I do? Would increasing my AoE attack ratio works?
  2. Should I stay faithful to my full SPR AA or defect to half SPR/INT ME? or maybe straight full INT?
  3. Does my skill build looks okay? Leaving Aspersion at 10 left a weird taste in my mouth. And tbh this skill build is kinda half-baked and looks like a heap of biblical garbage.
  4. My R7 and R8 choices are pretty iffy because Krivis is just there for Daino and Oracle for Counter Spell. Do you guys have any other suggestion?
  5. Okay at this point I’m 100% sure this is asking too much but I’m looking for the best of both (all four?) worlds which are AA, ME, Physical Defense, and Magic Defense.

From the offense side, AA utilizes Bless, Sac, Last Rites and Aspersion/gillum. ME utilizes Exorcism and ME. Going INT should accommodate both options right? Since Bless, Asper, and ME all scale from INT? But then there’s the skill point problem.

On the defensive, I should accept the fact that SS block rate is dead as a horse but at least Aspersion can still give %DEF increase. Magical defense is the main issue here. Which one is better? Pardoner’s Resist Magic, Oracle’s Counter Spell, Paladin’s Resist Element, or PD’s ROFLHealing Factor?

Thank you for taking your time reading this wall of text :bow: Have a nice day!

P.S.: I’m definitely going Shepherd on my R9 just for the hound companion >:3

#2

if you dislike AA then you’re screwed up with chaplain :laughing: especially if you’re SPR build[quote=“Kupomancer, post:1, topic:344639”]
My main gripe about this build is when mobs are CC-ing me and interrupted my Blessing, forcing me to kite 5-10 baddies while waiting for my Blessing to come up again (even worse when said mob is ranged so
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If you play solo, it’s all about adapting by experience. No mobs with CC? well just use blessing. Mobs with CC? cast them before you engage or put your anti CC skills.

  1. get five hammer and see the difference
  2. If you can hold out on supporting, keep your SPR. Else go INT
  3. aspersion 0. damage is significant for aspergillium. Also can be bought from pardoner. Raise your revive at least lv 5. 10 is highly recommended.
  4. depend if you want support or damage? please specify a bit more
  5. sorry I don’t quite understand your question here? you want to maximize your Auto attack and Magnus exorcimus coupled with good P def and M. def??

not true… property attacks are flat your buff and property attack increase option.

INT increase all your magic damage and aspergillium. Blessing also included but smaller than SPR. Give up on stone skin if you’re going this stat and focus on damage skills.

SPR increase all your priest buffs and krivis’s zalcia and also damage from aspergillium and the best if you utilize stone skin

Pardoner’s increase magic defense scales with SPR and doesn’t have 100% uptime
Counter spell nullify magic damage but stationary. Though, I personally prefer mitigation.

if you really really want a safe, PD is your best choice so you can damage and support. See tosbase build wurstbar chaplain build

#3

Thanks for the suggestion. Sorry if I’m being confusing. Let me clarify.
2. If I go INT can I still be support?
3. Do you mean I should leave Aspersion at 0 and buy from pardoners instead?
4. I want to be a support actually hehe. This whole topic is just me whining about leveling :frowning: This R7 and R8 is actually more about the long run. Which class will give better damage mitigation?
5. Long story short, if I go INT, will my buffs suck that bad? If it will, then I’ll suck it up and go SPR. If it’s just so-so then I’ll go INT and lean on ME.

Oh and if possible, I want to avoid PD like… well… the plague since I like to be hippies I guess?

#4

yay another non PD cleric :grinning:

  1. Sure. Your buffs are just become weaker. You will not fully utilize stone skin which is one of the best physical mitigation. but damage wise, you should able to kill things faster so and make threat gone.
  2. Yes, aspersion is either 15 or 0. And pardoner have them better with 2 hours time buff. some people said take 1 but 0 works for your aspergillium and aspersion attribute
  3. okay so stone skin without SPR is not good. high SPR will result you 85-95% block which is insanely useful.
    Sterea troph has short CD. awesome but immobile and short uptime
    Counter spell for magic. very good duration but long cooldown what makes it bad.
    Revenged sevenfold only protect you once.
  4. See my answer no 2. Buffs that need SPR scalling will need high SPR so it will be good.

If you are SPR user, you might want to see my (READ: Journal Not build) which is of course, not the best but you can try more brainstorming if that helps :slight_smile:

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#7

Hmm thanks for your journal, it really helped me brainstorm. There’re a few more things, I noticed you take ME but no Exorcism, how do you use that? And do you use Hamaya for damage using SPR? Lastly, do SPR Chaplain level solely using AA? And also Sterea Trofh is C2 now (shame) so it’s Oracle and Krivis for me after all (I’m not planning to buy Daino scrolls).

#8

What lv are you and are you taking this to r8 (and beyond)? Chaplain is strong for the lv you gain it (rank 5) but it will not carry you in r8 content (at least by itself it can’t).

IMHO, chaplain is the class you take if you want to do damage on a SPR priest (it is THAT specific, IMHO). If you are an INT priest you are “better off” going miko into PD2 making the build c2>pr3>chap>miko>pd2.

Ok, with that said, I highly recommend going inquisitor at r8 for malleus maleficarum. Why? Because it applies to all lines of attack, something you have plenty off.

Another reason to go inquisitor is for the attribute Inquisitor: Burn. Basically it summons a “copy of you” tile on the ground for 10 sec when you kill (at a 20% chance). What this tile does is copy you auto attack as if it were you (all buffs included: blessing, sacrament, aspergillium, last rites). The catch is this attribute costs over 20m.

#9

Well I’ll be damned. Looks like full support is gonna be full support after all huh… I had imagined the pain will pass as soon as I reach Chaplain and can solo end game content with 5-lined AA but yeah, it took a steep fall.

Can Inquisitor work with SPR? Is SS with full SPR still relevant on R8 contents? It all actually boils down if I want to let go of full damage mitigation (SS and Counter Spell). I’m going c1>p3>ch>c2>krivis1>Oracle OR Inquisitor how does that look like?

#10

The problems are twofold basically:

1st: IMC stated that they want to rework INT and how Cleric skills scale with SPR, so currently we won’t know how good it could be to invest points into SPR. Some weaponry like Skull Smasher e.g. grants a little SPR which can be used to increase the value of skills that scale with SPR on cast, e.g. Blessing. However, Chaplain itself isn’t really a class that scales well with any specific stat. It has skills like Aspergillum/Aspersion that scale its damage with SPR, and skills like Exorcise/Magnus Exorcismus that scale with INT.

Either way currently it’s impossible to tell you the right path as the stat rework will impact Chaplain/Priest the most of all classes.

2nd: Your build is all over the place. Not to say it’s bad but you have to consider several things when going that build, but you will have a hard time playing. A really hard time. The damage is insufficient, and there’s too much stress on the unimportant skills.

Basically, you need to focus on Heal and Cure damage 1st, and that’s best done by going Cleric C3. This will also give you the ability to max Divine Might which is essential on your build as it features so many different buff skills as well as having Heal at 15 and Cure at 10-15 (depending if you have Guardiant Saint or not). Cure at 15 is an amazing damage dealer because the damage increasing attribute is dirt cheap while it has Holy element and a “low” CD time of 27 seconds compared to Magnus Exorcismus (60 seconds) and Exorcise (36 seconds).

Also, drop points from Safety Zone. My Safety Zone at lvl 4 (Cleric C3) never runs out of hits before the skill duration is over (20 seconds) as it protects from 30 hits with maxed attribute+ Divine Might buff.

Oracle is fine in the build, but I’d drop Krivis and make a toon (it’s only until rank 5 to craft lvl 5 Daino/Aukuras scrolls with Simony) for Aukuras and Daino scrolls. lvl 5 Daino is basically everything you need (Stone skin + Revive + Divine Might + Monstrance + Last Rites, leaves one buff slot open for another buff like Prophecy/Safety Zone/Counter Spell e.g.), as Aspersion/Sacrament/Blessing are what people usually get from Pardoners and are not to be included into this number.

If there’s need for additional buffs (which is, in all honesty, rarely the case unless people throw their useless buffs at you), other lower priority buff classes like Chronomancer can use a higher level Daino scroll at will(or people can cancel the buffs they don’t need manually if they’re scrooges who don’t pay for Daino scrolls yet want a Priest in their party e.g.).

So, as you could exchange R7 for Cleric C3 e.g., you could also exchange R8 for Miko e.g.

Miko would give you the ability to deal more damage and remove buffs from monsters while also having the ability to increase the parties damageoutput (with melee attacks) with Kaguara Dance.
This would help you to shorten the time between each use of Heal/Cure/Exorcise/Magnus Exorcismus/Hamaya you can throw at the enemy by at least providing a damage increase buff for the party, and works well in combination with Stone Skin as the CD time and lasting time of both skills is ± identical (afaik from Sadhu, channeling is not canceled when an attack is blocked with the help of Stone Skin buff{as I’m currently dual wielding for more damage}).

Houki Broom could help increasing the level of Magnus Exorcismus, and Clap can increase the duration of Capella e.g, + you could craft Omamori to use when under a malign status ailment that disables you like sleep/stun. Gohei could be used to cure your party members (or they buy Dispeller scrolls).

In the end it’s about preference if you rather want Oracle and Krivis or Cleric C3 + Miko.

#11

All stats are “in a bad place” now because of the steps IMC took making gear WAY more relevant for content that stats are. Here are a couple of gear updates that made this happen

  • increased stats on headgear costumes
  • updated gems
  • blessed gems being sharable via storage

STR and INT are “bad” because they give 1 straight up damage per point (2 from STR on a crit but it’s still meh).

  • you can get 100ish (x3 headgears) of atk or crit atk or matk on a budget (not expensive)
  • you can get 80ish (x3 headgears) elemental damage (this is what you want since it affects all lines of atk
  • these new gem values just blow anything STR and INT offers away.

CON is ok but because of the def/mdef update you can now survive r8 content with 0 invested CON. It’s not bad, but it’s not good either.

SPR is bad because no one wants it outside of specific cleric and even those builds don’t want too much of it ([deprotect zone], [zalciai] got nerf really badly regarding SPR interaction). Its only saving grace is the resistance it offers to status effects.

DEX is the only “good” (For lack of a better word) stat because it “scales forever”.

The thresh hold for making DEX > STR was mathed out before to be around 3500 white damage per hit. If you are doing at least that much, DEX is always better. Everything in r8 makes you hit above that ergo DEX is better.

The def/mdef update made it so you can bring damage you take down to the hundreds so getting hit every now and then isn’t a big deal. You won’t want to “gear for it” but because you are taking DEX for crit anyway, you still get the benefits of eva.

Now back to your question[quote=“Kupomancer, post:9, topic:344639”]
Can Inquisitor work with SPR?
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Yes. Majority of your damage will come from gear. So it’s “ok” that you went SPR instead of INT. It’s not the best but it isn’t the worst either. It’s “ok”.

You have damage sources that are “statless”. Extra lines of atk don’t base damage from STR or INT. The debuff from [malleus maleficarum] increases your damage by the target’s matk (not yours). The attribute Inquisitor: burn copies your auto atk ergo your extra lines of atk (that are not based on STR or INT except the initial physical hit and [aspersion])

This is something you have to understand first. The only damage mitigation that works is not taking the hit. That’s it. Nothing else works. That is deiv3-x-miko. Nothing else. Permanent [world tree] and [auserine]. Anyone saying otherwise has not used the said skills.

Will this change? We don’t know. And you can’t build for what you don’t know.

Chaplains only offer r7 and 8 for variation. I haven’t experienced everything, but I can say that not taking an r8 class at r8 is bad (with miko as the only exception). The power spike is that big. If you are going inquisitor with only 1 free rank, you only have 2 combo choices: miko or kaba. Miko offers the [kagura dance] combo with [pears of agony] and [breaking wheel] while kaba offers [revenge 7 fold] combo with [pears of agony].

#12

nah, it’s still exorcise if you want to use magnus exorcism. Mine has 3 and I don’t put on that build for OPTIONAL choice.
even hamaya is magic, we still want to help damage more or often with lower priority than support do we?
not that SPR chaplain is solely AA it’s just that only aspergillium which is the source of damage chaplain’s AA come from there

You see the icon for inquisitor is red and most of the skills are damage. If you want easier life, that option is available.
by the way, inquisitor chaplain has synergy with malleus maleficarum because it increases your AA damage too while under debuff even on SPR build due to ridiculously damage from all it skills.

build cleric c2 -krivis c3 - diev c3 exist for ET and do well on PvE.

anyways, with support on your mind, almost every build is viable. But for DPS, due to current rank and scaling damage, taking updated rank is obvious.

some people prefer meta as it’s proofed. While some retarded people like me exist to build something for fun :upside_down:

#13

Thank you so much all of you for sharing your insights on Chaplain! I really appreciate all of these thoughts and long discussions. However, based on my research on Chaplain in these past few days, I’ve grown more intimidated to make Chaplain as my first character (I’m a legit noob just started 2 weeks ago). Therefore, I decided to use the free rank reset to completely remake my 70-ish SPR Priest into c1>krivis3>c2>miko>p1>taoist.

The reason I do this are basically:

  1. Chaplain’s buff as a support class have diminishing returns towards the end content. While Stone Skin and Aspergillum was all the rage back then in R6, the recent updates prove block rate to be unreliable (top this off with magic based mobs too). I refuse to tread this hard journey only to find my buffs to be moot later.
  2. While having a synergy with Inquisitor’s Malleus Maleficarum and Wheel, giving Chaplain potential to churn A LOT of damage on A HUGE AoE, it only serves to further Chaplain from my goal, which is support. As you guys all said, damage mitigation is achieved through invincibility like Diev and Druid. Else, it is achieved through preventing the enemies from hitting in the first place which is DPS. And also I’m not even sure if Blessing’s +400 every hit can keep up with 4 digits damages of the later contents.
  3. Chaplain’s stat build is an extremely niche and unstable one. No other classes in the Cleric tree depends on SPR as much as Priest-Chaplain does. In fact, other Cleric classes does not rely on stats at all when supporting. To top it off, there are rumors of stats rebalancing and I really can’t put my first character on that kind of risk. (forgive my insolence for making a support character for my first…)

With that said, again I thank you guys for pouring your time and effort for this topic. I hope this information can be useful for someone later on. For now, I declare this topic solved. I’ll open a new topic soon about Taoist though so look forward to it :heart: Oh, and I’ll just drop my speculative build here if anyone want a gander.

#14

I know this topic is solved (declared by op) but there is one thing I’m confused about.
Why do Exorcise and ME don’t match cd-wise? 30 and 60 would be great. 36 means a downtime and thus 12 seconds or a whole Exorcise lost between ME casts.

(Mostly relevant for Int Chap, if at all, but still)

#15

Ok, knowing this is your 1st character, are you prepared to spend 13k per skill cycle? Because that’s what tao is going to do to you.

IMHO it will be “safer” to go with a miko-pd2.

#16

Wow that’s quite some silver. I thought Storm Calling only costs 1k? I figured I’d just be spamming Heal>Cure>SC>Zaibas>Hamaya>repeat.

If “safer” means PD then I’m willing to go a liiiiittle bit over the edge just for the sake of not being another PD. I mean do you see the healing power and DPS on that thing? IMC is playing favoritism with PD :frowning:

#17

Hmm that’s true I just noticed that. Maybe the 36s is to offset Heal>Cure>Exo rotation? Exo isn’t even THAT powerful on it’s own. Priest-Chaplain needs some serious reworking.

#18

Yes, Everyone said so. Chaplain is just weird and needs buff or rework…whatever I just want to see what kind of rework they talked before (oh don’t forget sadhu please XD)
GL for your future cleric. I just hope that IMC don’t messed up with those classes too much. All this balance talk makes me uneasy

#19

Oh yeah before you go, one more question regarding full support. What do you think are the Cleric class buffs/skills that are on demand in the current meta?

#20

I didn’t want PD for the same reason. It was a bit too much of “everything”, and it felt boring. So I’m a yolo Kabba 2 (and surprisingly don’t regret my choice).

People like most buffs, but it’ll depend on the party.
They love Revive, if you have a high SPR they like Stone Skin because they feel invinsible, people always hide in Safety Zone and Counterspell. They also always take Ausrine if they see it. People surprisingly love Barrier too, I know people always hide in mine (but it’s scrollable ;_; ).
In demande:

  • any buffs that can prevent negative ailments (Prophecy or Bloodletting, Miko can cure them but has no skill to prevent them (they can craft protective charms though)).
  • any protective/immunity buffs (Ausrine, Counterspell, if your SPR is high MDEF Increase/Stone Skin, Sterea Trofh).
  • Ein Sof’s MP regen is also loved, R7 is a really useful extra one-hit “shield” since it’ll reflect damages. Since R8 mobs hit hard, you can get mobs’ HP down very fast with it, but it has a 40s cd.
  • Barrier is demanded, but it’s scrollable.
  • Daino is always useful if your party has several buffing classes, but scrollable (and in Klaipeda for example LinYue sells them for 4k (which means she loses money) so you might be able to find some for really cheap).
  • Laima reduces everybody’s cd by 20% and slow downs enemies. It’s not really requested, but it’s a nice addition that everybody loves.

Discerning Evil isn’t really asked for, people usually don’t notice it, but it’s really great if you have someone in your party that has good debuffs or DOTs.

A buff that most people don’t care about but is actually a life saver when things are getting ugly and everything’s on cd: Fade.

I’m full support without PD (or Chaplain), and I can keep my parties alive, but when it’s going well you don’t have much to do. You’re here to buff, maybe take aggro on a few mobs harassing your DPS, healing, protecting, basically monitoring what’s going on.
R8 was fun though since it was more intense~ (Also because we did quests on maps where mobs were 10 levels higher, but it’s okay 8D)

EDIT: For your Krivis/Miko/Taoist build, no point taking Clap. Clap only works on Diev’s status, so it’s a useless skill for you. Level Hamaya as high as you can, this skill is crazy DPS + Holy property.
As you won’t be SPR, I think it’s better to level Aspersion to 5 and get Blessing to 4. You probably won’t use Blessing much pretty fast anyway…
Also, I don’t know if you know, but you can’t deal DPS while using Kagura Dance, it’s a casted skill.
Deprotected Zone 1 is useless (this skill is pretty useless overall except if you’re PD I guess), so it’d be better to just put the extra point in Cure or SZ imo~

#21

Thank you so much for the input! I’ll make a proper Taoist topic soon. I can’t wait to bring this class to the surface (since I’ve seen really few topic about Taoist? Oh well, more to read :heart:). Taoist right now is real buggy, underexplored, and REAL expensive to boot. If anything, I heard Miko Advancement is a real hassle and I’m worried I won’t get the Kannushi costum upon changing. Is Miko worth it as it currently is?