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Link in TBL really needs a Nerf

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#1

Title.

It can’t be that the team owning a linker+scout wins the game, even if that team is playing with their foot.

Invisibility system in this game is really weird, but I won’t make a whole and structured topic about this. But which makes no sense is sharing cloaking with the whole team, or sharing damage, I mean it’s not even a distribution of the damage between each person nope.

People will say: 1. They can still be affected by skills/attacks, 2. Elememe or scout can detects them.

First of all, I wouldn’t like to make a comparison with RO, but in that game the ones with invisibility had to risk a bit to kill at least, yeah going melee attack who could be detected by ruwatch-sight, but in this game we don’t have ruwatch neither sight, and of course they aren’t melee characters, it isn’t any funny being slept for 15 secs, or being one shoted because someone is in your face and can’t see him.
The point is: Elememe can cast that storm - and what if there isn’t an elememe in my team? Just asking. Should I cast randomly skills around the map to hopefully land something?

Come on guys, you aren’t doing much about bugs, step by step but how slow are those steps. But balancing TBL is that hard? Not asking for a having rank 5 barbs which think theirselves as rambo and runs straight to enemy base to die alone, or people just going AFK because they want to, I’m not asking neither about an invisibility nerf, that’s weird and I deal with it, but link? Holy moly linker is the strongest class in both PvP and PvE ffs.

#2

linkers are already nerfed in pvp and pve. U want to nerf them even more?

How about nerf fletchers, kabbalist, psychokino, and warlocks instead.

Remember you cant have the same team or enemy every tbl… but in gvg i could say …GG

#3

Each point:
Archers, except the ones building scout + cannoneer who can one shot pretty easy without notice, or falconers with that insane CC, the others archers classes are stopable easy.
Kabba, if you talk about revenged 7x, just hit him, if they have ausrine, wait, cleric class is the most OP in tbl I should agree but you can defeat them just think a little bit.
Kino, as a Kino myself, archers can defeat me, dragoons can defeat me, and clerics can defeat me, add something like fade or prophecy and it’s cc is useless.
Warlocks, probably you aren’t a swordy so if you are wiz can defeat them, if you are archer can defeat them, and if you are cleric can defeat them.

What else?

Even if a team is made of ranks 5 + scout and linker they will win, where is the balance in that? Not even sharing damage, each one takes the same value as the others, those + team cloaking? Come on you can’t just justify how OP is that link because you can’t kill some classes in TBL.

#4

im a swordsman main and i gave up on it due to the lack of damage and utility skills. the 30% str buff was a joke. (only catagoons can withstand other opponents in tbl). i rerolled to wiz and archer now

and where’s the balance for swordsmen? raise is broken. warlocks dark theurge is damn op. fletcher’s broadhead arrow is super insane when it comes to damage tick per second and having a full con wiz with 30-50k hp can easily be killed by them. kabbalist’s 7-fold is godlike.

i dunno anymore. i can say the PvP system is broken.
if you’re having a hard time of stealth archers with match-up linker2, it’s just a matter of luck if you have them in your team, bad luck if they’re your opponents. regarding this kind of matter in GvG, i can say either your guildmates nor your opponent will win for having scout+linker2.

and lastly. think about the non catagoon swordsmen. they’re all left behind. same as my left behind main swordsman. (forever material farmer)

#5

(linkers are already nerfed in pvp ), if not can nerf the linker that has already been nerfed , then why nerf the kino , if it was already too ?

#6

the raise… because raise became op now

go try it yourself.
raise icewall+pp+poa. after raise…say hello to dark theurge

that aside. raise is broken. why? the bugs are killing us. there’s an instance which raise became permanent and characters are floating mid-air like…forever. same as icewall chunks from PP. the perma frost ( 0 sec debuff)

if those perma debuffs wont occur from friendly duels, then in TBL im pretty sure they’ll show up.

P.S if this won’t be nerfed then FIXES would be fine to me

#7

Have seen some catagoons being able to do 3v1, also corsairs hooking like the whole team.

Eveng being the worst PvP class, 2 catagoons can rush a team, but there isn’t a way you can defeat linker + scout, 0 chances.

#8

Icewall + pp isn’t doing that tons of damage anymore, musk or cannoneer can deal with kinos easy, my main is kino 3 and I’m always doing pvp, so I know what I’m saying lol

Btw, even if you use raise and close yourself in icewall, just a link to you and your team can kill you because your team gets damage aswell, much more they can stack you together in the same spot. So much counter play wow

#9

i will deploy at least 2 QS3>scout1 and let the makabishi begin.

u seem to really hate the scout-linker duo. gawd they wont show up all the time every tbl you entered you know.

#10

Of course I hate it, I can deal with almost everything, just waiting, rushing damage, CCing and so on. But that combo doesn’t have any counterplay, link in general isn’t having counterplay.

There isn’t any fun in that -.-

#11

then let the scout’s scan be reworked. having the scan’s visual range would be a thing. like… team scan wont be visible to the enemy. that would be nicei guess

#12

Actually the whole invisibility system is so weird that they should think of something about that, but this topic is about how OP and weird is link lol

#13

what’s more awkward is the monk+linker duo. golden bell shield would fck your whole team if they did

#14

They need to just nerf cloak in TBL to 15s duration with a 30s cooldowns.

#15

Doesn’t the links connect to the icewall usually? I have c1 linker on my wiz and when dealing with ice wall most of the time I can barely link 2 enemies. Also getting anywhere near a kino is pretty much death cause you get cc’d for like half a minute :confused: