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Let the gold sellers sell their gold

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#1

Here in my country guns are not allowed, but theres tons of guns and you still can buy it illegaly

marijuana is not allowed, but theres tons of drug dealers selling out there

the truth is just one, is impossible to stop the gold sellers, so why should you IMC try stop the unstopable?

if IMC focus all the time in stop the bots, then gold sellers will be just people selling their efforts and nothing more, that ain’t gotta be a problem because is just IMPOSSIBLE to stop these people

so, free trade, free market, free everthing, all you need to do is stop the bots and let we have fun without restrictions

@EDIT
I’m also want to quote a comment by Deprox to the ones thinking that I’m just a stupid gold seller:

Deprox
OP’s points:

A ban on weapons neither hurts people who want to acquire/use weapons illegally nor illegal sellers. It only hurts people who would acquire/use weapons legally and creates an illegal gun market while empowering smugglers;
A ban on marijuana neither hurts people who want to acquire/use marijuana illegally nor illegal sellers. It only hurts people who would acquire/use marijuana legally and creates an illegal drug market while empowering drug dealers;
A ban on free trading/market on an online game neither hurts people who want to RMT nor illegal sellers. It only hurts people who want to sell/trade their items legally while doing nothing to stop the influx of silver coming from bots. Putting restrictions on legal trading/market while doing nothing to stop botters only empowers RMT sellers;
A truly effective way of not empowering RMT sellers would be trying to develop an effective anti-bot system and/or using the ban-hammer efficiently. That way, RMT sellers would actually have to WORK for their silver (AKA manually farming like everyone else) instead of just putting their bots to do the entirety of the work.
In my opinion, the italic part is utopic and naïve, but he does make a good point on the rest.

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#3

You’re right. Lets remove all drug and weapon laws while we’re at it. Lets let people have fun without restrictions.

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#4

Not entirely sure if you’re just plain dumb or you’re actually one of those who are engaged in RMT with the sellers.

#5

Why stop there, lets not have any laws at all and release everyone from prison. Fun for all, woo hoo.

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#6

This guy’s comparison to drugs and guns is lost in translation but he makes a good point.

Everything that RMT websites will be selling stems from botting: botted characters, silver is gained through botting, and items attained from the silver or farmed through botting.

IMC is putting tons and tons of restrictions in place (see: trade restriction) that only attempt to stop RMT on the back-end instead of just implementing a solid bot-detection and bot-banning system that could stop it to begin with.

The four replies above this one are short-sighted, misguided, or clearly do not understand the point being made.

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#7

Lol, of course you are right about banning bots, but just allowing RMTs to freely ruin the ToS economy is a bad advice. You should think further than just allowing trades…

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#8

He does make a good point and stop calling people stupid just because you did not get their side clearly. He might’ve just said it as bluntly as he could.

You cannot stop RMT if people keep buying. Same as you cannot stop the drug dealers when people keep using em

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#9

Think about almost every other successful MMO that has ever existed. Most of them have implemented exactly 0 restrictions on auction houses and/or trading.

All of them have had a system effective at detecting and banning bots. If you detect and ban bots, then there is no silver or item supply as well as no ability to sell botted characters. It’s very simple. They instead have done almost nothing to combat bots and have instead restricted trading and the market place.

Guess what? Aspects of trading and the market place is behind a paywall (that they claim stops the RMT) and they make money off of their decision to do so. It would instead COST them money as a company to improve bot detection and hire more GMs to ban such bots.

Make money (trade/market restrictions) > lose money (bot detection/GMs) for IMC.

#10

In case this world allow free drugs and guns for everyone, let me come to your house to shoot you and overdose your wise and children. Let me piece your family members and friends with glory holes from my AR.
God bless you.

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#11

Ummm…

His point is not really good. Market is really important in this types of games, destroy it and you will be destroying your own game.

A solid bot detection does not exist, otherwise other game would be using them and bots would not be such a common problem.

Some sort of restriction must exist, not exactly the one we have right now.Other games also have it.

#12

You are COMPLETELY incorrect. I have played through dozens of MMORPGs that have all had solid bot detection and not a single trade or market restriction. Just to name a few:

  • World of Warcraft
  • Neverwinter
  • Guild Wars 2 (and HoT)
  • Wildstar
  • TERA

No mainstream games have trade restrictions. Just man up and buy a god damn bot detection system.

With your attitude, why do I get the the feeling you are from some kwazi-socialist third world country?

#13

Here comes the gold buyers to come defend the gold sellers.

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#14

Here comes the guy who reads only the title of a thread and not the actual substance within.

#15

Just made a 5 min research and found that, there are a lot of Gold selling and bots sites for most of the games you mentioned, the difference might be how they handle them, ban and such things.

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#16

Oh I know what he meant and it’s just silly. As long 100k silver stay at 2-3 $ means IMC is battling the gold traders well. Bots are just annoying and banning them does nothing but please the eyes… The system that prevents botting, now that’s what will seal the deal, until then just be patient don’t whine over and over about the same thing.

#17

OP’s points:

  • A ban on weapons neither hurts people who want to acquire/use weapons illegally nor illegal sellers. It only hurts people who would acquire/use weapons legally and creates an illegal gun market while empowering smugglers;
  • A ban on marijuana neither hurts people who want to acquire/use marijuana illegally nor illegal sellers. It only hurts people who would acquire/use marijuana legally and creates an illegal drug market while empowering drug dealers;
  • A ban on free trading/market on an online game neither hurts people who want to RMT nor illegal sellers. It only hurts people who want to sell/trade their items legally while doing nothing to stop the influx of silver coming from bots. Putting restrictions on legal trading/market while doing nothing to stop botters only empowers RMT sellers;
  • A truly effective way of not empowering RMT sellers would be trying to develop an effective anti-bot system and/or using the ban-hammer efficiently. That way, RMT sellers would actually have to WORK for their silver (AKA manually farming like everyone else) instead of just putting their bots to do the entirety of the work.

In my opinion, the italic part is utopic and naïve, but he does make a good point on the rest.

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#18

No, it doesn’t. It only means that silver hasn’t yet devalued/inflated. You do realize that we’re into the second week of the game and there’s not much silver available in general, so it’s a simple matter of demand/supply, right? Once there’s more silver, RMT prices will go down and IMC’s restrictions will only keep hurting players.

#19

World of Warcraft… if only IMC had a revenue of 1.1 billion dollars.

You literally have no idea what you’re talking about lol. Point us to this god like bot detection software you keep talking about.

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#20

Low prices simply mean that RMT websites have lots of silver. Nothing more, nothing less regarding how easy or hard it is to obtain money.