They both have skills to buff your previous class choices as well as damage skills. Not the developers fault you chose a debuffer class and ended up with no damage 
Nothing but the truth, but avoid it all you want as you reroll that sweet char of yours xD
I think you guys are forgetting a huge advantage that swordies have against archers: the slash/strike/pierce weakness.
Missile type attacks(archers attks) deals 100% of damage to small and medium size enemies, 75% against large enemies and 50% against extreme large enemies (bosses). But in other hand, if you hit the right type of attack (slash vs cloth, pierce vs leather) with a swordsman, you deal double damage (200%) in comparision with archer’s general attacks. So, if you have a good arsenal of strike/slash/pierce attacks ( witch is not hard to have), you deal double damage all the time.
Srry for my english.
Do you really deal double damage? I thought its 50% more or 50% less.
100 Damage would be 150 damage or am i mistaken?
if archer deals 75% and you do 150% then you do 200% dmg… relativlely
It’s 50% more or 50% less, no double damage
Archers can remove this penalty completely by upgrading their weapon to +5, IIRC.
You’re both wrong because that penalty was changed.
Archers have no penalty against small types 10% to medium and 15% to large/XL. Their auto attacks (or is it all attacks) reduce enemy defense up to 25% (this stacks with the crossbow passive).
Thanks for correct me.
They could rework/fuse Gung Ho and Restrain into a necessary mechanic skill (like surespell, kneeling shot, safety zone), something that turns off the defense advantage of swordies and put them close to archers and wizards, like a Attack stance (max HP -45%, total P.defense -60% for +50% damage for all melee P.damage, can be turn on or off).
They change all damage buffs on this game to % would make me really happy.
I plan on holding off on my swordsman until there is official info about the rod/barb buffs. I’m willing to reroll my current swordie if we get those buffs. It sucks cause swordies in general need a buff regardless
Weak classes need to get buffed. Rodelero and Barbarian were in serious need of a buff. We all know that swordsman in general need a buff.
And on top of that, I can’t believe there are people complaining about those classes getting a buff, on this thread: Another KTOS update - Barbarians get buffed even further!
Strangely enough, they didn’t complain when Archer classes got buffed a lot, aff …
Yea archers where ■■■■ icbt2, they got buffed to the point where sword dps is now near obsolete.
can still be CC… magic often has a cc effect… something but sitll they need to just fix Resistance overall.
Sorry for resurrecting this post, but…
@Staff_Julie @STAFF_John @STAFF_Ines @STAFF_Ethan
Would the staff have some info about the kToS and iToS syncronization? The buffs cited in this topic and other updates related to the kToS, like C3 costumes and mounts, will be applied to the iToS? If yes, there’s a guess about when? There’s no info about this syncronization, and is really frustating not know about important stuff like this.
What about Peltasta Umbo Trust? I has a defense debuf, it does not affect bosses 
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Peltasta’s Umbo Thrust will affect bosses
I have yet to see a single staff member post anywhere, once, in this forum. It seems they have yet to hire a community manager or intend in never doing so.
What I don’t understand is… that the people at kToS CREATED this freaking game. They probably have a much bigger staff that knows a lot more about the game than iToS… then why will iToS not follow their balance patches? Seems like plain arrogance.
“oh no, WE know what’s balanced! not the players, not the beta testers, not the creators of the game! hue hue!”
Honestly I don’t think anyone on the iToS team plays swordsman without peltasta on high level. They don’t understand the pain. Well, tbh, I’m not sure anyone in the team even play the game or browses the forum at all. I think all they do is fix bugs. If they played the game they could have 1 guy at klaipedia 1 at orsha banning gold sellers 8-10 hours a day. That could not possibly be easier, and yet it’s not done.
Maybe after they start selling TP they make some money and they can afford to hire a community manager, a team to deal with balances and some ban-hammer GMs.
Right now the community is about 100% ignored. I’ve personally sent private messages to the Staff asking why they don’t participate in the forums, and of course, I didn’t get a reply. It’s pretty damn ridiculous. They are not in the game, they are not in the forums. Where are these people? Is the entire iToS team programmers that only fix code and hate the game?