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#1539

I think many people have a misconception of field farming, some of us generate upwards of 7million silver cash not counting drops per real life hour, thats on par with elite geared cm 7 groups doing 7-8min runs which alot of people are not close to.

So I laugh a bit when I hear a comment like “just login in and a do a cm and thats 1mil”, I make that in 8 minutes already and purchased my vaivoria and all my endgame gear and ichors the same way.

Removing silver from monsters is literally 1 step away from making all the items in the game untradable, and turning ToS into solo self found Path of Exile.

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#1540

although radical I think it is a much more practical and efficient solution than banishing one by one and hoping that they don’t come back.

#1541

while CM pay silver better, you do not always get a cm7 party and even with it you have limited amount of run. So like with 5 reset, 1 main and some more alt you get like 10m per day. A quick go around in Baubas while waiting for CM party or 30 minutes before bed and get you like 4m or more. And when you think 10m is enough, it’s really don’t, a vaivora cost like 150m to 600m and the new wonderous/glacia recipe goes around 50m.

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#1542

Ya like I said I think alot of players think making 700k silver in Irredian Shelter is field farming, its really not. There are days where I literally do 45mil in HGs and I also rotate to ep12 maps and do hybrid silver/VV farming.

I have a 450mil VV, perfect str/dex/con/crit ichors, double +16 weapons and full varna, plus another 300mil saved for a police dog, you dont get that doing a few CMs.

#1543

well it is a little obvious that with less silver circulating among the players many will not be able to put astronomical prices if they really want to sell, of course there will still be some mega rich like blue but not most.

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#1544

You clearly don’t know about the hundred millions price range. Stuff like vaivora will never fall down in price. Eventually (like a month or so) there will always be a guy that farm enough money to buy it, or have something to make an equivalent exchange. As long as it’s not commonly drop, the price will always stay above a certain line, so by the time the average Joe who do a few CM get to buy it he’ll soon realize how much out meta you are

#1545

Last coment b/c I dont wanna derail the thread or spend too much time Tree of Foruming but…

Botting is just a symptom of a larger problem, players buying currency, why do players buy so much currency?

Thats the issue, much of Tree of Savior’s gear progression is RNG based, this causes players to want to buy silver. The VVs are priced out of reach for many players, arch stones are only for people that can afford to gamble 40+ million per goddess’ grace. You can try to p2w with letcia’s and cosmetic cubes but the majority of the time you make more just buying and listing 30 day tokens b/c the rng is so low, so again, alot of players would prefer to spend 40 USD on 250 million illegal silver.

You can make people register phone numbers, you can remove silver from mobs, the bots will just resort to farming in demand items such as nucle powders. The next step from IMC will be making many items and currencies untradable. Because again, the bots are only there b/c SO many players are buying silver, for a game this small to have 2-4 bots in every channel of every map from lv 290 to 415 tells you as a whole ToS players buy as much currency illegaly as large market games.

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#1546

I also will not argue and I believe that you are right in some points despite being very dramatic and very very exaggerated in their numbers, what I mean is that the mobs stop dropping silver is not so terrible ,so it was said that who only can make a few cm will not be able to buy anything which is not much different from currently with those who do not have time to spend hours in baubas.

#1547

you forgot i said i can do it in 5 min and i dont even wear elite gear, ep 11, cheesy SR, and stg 5 as solo
if roaming around is yourstyle suit yourself, i can just farm those silver by pressing only 1 button each couple of sec without movin around except for the annoying cm stg portal random location which clearly to counterfeit cm bots
this game is path of exile for long ago, only the latest raid and upgraded boruta and field boss make it feel it doesnt lol,this silver changes doesnt change that fact that tos is 90%+ tree of solo. do you even field hunt as party? isnt that a joke too as mmo?
hahahaha

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#1548

Why are people excusing this as an acceptable solution?

Remember when they removed silver trading and that stopped bots?
Oh yea it didn’t. Best case scenario is now we hand silver to bots who farm the desirable gems and then they sell that silver. This will be a temporary hurdle for bots and a permanent black mark for real players the same as their last bot solution.

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#1549

So… they really expect bots to not start doing solo CM instead of field farming? Cause i don’t see any reason a botter wouldn’t do that, and even use the mercenary badges to get CM resets. Even if that works for the first couple of months, bots will adapt.

For bots to cease to exist, you need both players not purchasing silver and the act of botting to be hard as a whole. The two things that are directly related to it are the equipment enhancement systems (that are mandatory to play) and the way combat was dumbed down to the point you can just insta-kill everything and most of the death penalties were removed. This means that, in case all the popular bot classes were gutted, they just need to find a different class/build and lose some farming speed. It gets even better because we can be sure IMC won’t change either, which will only push down more restrictions down the line that will be as effective as the others

@Azusagi

Now imagine how tragic would be to warp to a map, not having a token, using your remaining silver and get trapped there until your city warpstone cooldown is done because they can’t fight bots…

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#1550

multiaccounters/botters can just do CM7 no problemo

If you have a strong main you can already solo CM7, now imagine you make a healing bot
then you get 5x the rewards for every CM you’re doing

The solution will always be to punish RMTers so that botters have no market, but IMC doesn’t want to do that apparently

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#1551

Small brain: track and ban RMTers :pinching_hand:

Normal brain: invest in an anti-bot system :brain:

Big brain: make mobs not drop silver anymore :exploding_head:

Galaxy brain: IMC closes down the bot market, by selling silver themselves :tired:

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#1552

I’m okay with this idea tbh as most people already doing com for silver.

The problem is this does not punish existing bots or those who already reap from the reward of such action. Because of this, they could just build a reserve of silvers before the next update and the damage will already be done. The silver inflation will not disappear in days or months because of this. It will be at least year before those botters ran out of their silver reserve and even then, they already reap from the reward.

#1553

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#1554

That was my exact feelings. Only way for it to be acceptable would be to have the palm art does 2-3 hits per overhit…

#1555

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#1556

Yeah, especially considering the fact that Hand Knife always follows Palm Strike, the trade-off for Palm Strike Art is not worth it at all. The increase in range is redundant and not worth it since Monk already has Energy Blast and Nirvana.

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#1557

Has the art of that ability been removed?
Because I was searching on https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#11a and realize that the art does not appear.

#1558

They prolly just don’t like the fact that you only need 1 point for it to work like early version of downfall.