Any CLERIC C3… heal bombs still deal the most dps
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Does heal dmg scales with INT? or it’s fixed?
If you’re willing to severely curb your efficiency and be a liability in upper content, yes you can play with just your mouse.
This is also true for GW2, and Tree of savior I’m not sure what you’re getting at as you can click your skills in both of these games. As with Tree of savior it is a game made with Controller Support in mind. If you want to use solely your mouse as a dumbed down controller, nothing is stopping you in either game.
This isn’t sensible game-play and the admission of there being insensible or handi-capped players doesn’t support the difference you are trying to make as that is not a factor mutually exclusive for any of the previously games.
This isn’t point and click game-play mind you. Or to be more accurate this is not point and click game-play by any modern understanding of the term, nor how the game is to be played.
You’re looking for division where it is not there.
Instead the most key difference is the 2.5s GCD of FFXIV and the games heavy bias towards targetted with some untargetted skills.
In contrast to Tree of Savior and GW2 which feature less emphasis on targetted skills. The games biases in one direction or the other do not separate them at a base. All three games flow off of old-fashioned tab-target gameplay with their own emphasis and variations to separate them. This is most prominent in tree of savior for archers, as we know from AA and single-target attack skills. Tree of Savior frequently auto-targets for the user and then lets them cycle through additional targets with tab, as do all the other mentioned games.
There’s no difference at all in this particular department.
It’s actually not true for FFXIV, that’s my point.
Can you click to move in GW2 while clicking on your spells while dodging ? No. You can’t even dodge with mouse only and you cannot click on the ground to move, you should use both clicks to move in front of you, gl with that. You can click your spells in ToS too, the big difference is you cannot do that while moving, using skills and auto attacking for an Archer if you want an exemple. There is no auto attack in ToS, that’s actually a big difference and why it’s not a point and click like FFXIV, it doesn’t mean the gameplay of ToS is amazing just because of that, it still change everything.
That’s why every devs are showing how to play with mouse only right 
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Kepo. So let’s say they are equal in any aspect by the way.
Nope. Imagine FFXIV with 2.5D, with the same gameplay as the actual FFXIV. Still the same game, the point of view cannot change everything all the time. But it’s great you are putting this to the table, it helps me a lot to prove my point even more. Just think about it, ToS with FFXIV gameplay > Click on a monster, auto attack, click on your skills > don’t even need to move as an Archer because you cannot be stuck by enemy attacks, and anyway you just need to click on all your skills or roll your head on the keyboard, it’s working well too 
. Point and click / Action RPG.
I already answered to that and the answer is a total no for GW2. Sure you have a target but you don’t use tab-target in this game as it is most of the time useless, because the system is not based on tab-target, can’t be more simple to understand than that.
You are right, games are all target based, but not tab-target based. Even in ToS it’s not the most used feature as it is more for Archers and Wizards, when it is for EVERYONE in FFXIV (if you are not using mouse only 
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hm, but it is.
As I said. Alexander Savage is something you can not do with just a mouse.
Normal Alex, maybe up to 11 you can. 11 and 12. I would like to see someone do it…
For me, I don’t feel like its difficult to do, but maybe it is difficult for most of players for this one particular boss. If one particular boss determine the entire game, let’s take Rexipher from ToS and say “oh look at how this game is difficult”, meanwhile, ton of bosses in ToS are pure garbage.
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Yes you can use solely the mouse to move and dodge in GW2.
I played the damn game for 3 years. Not sure if you’re serious.
Tab target is huge in GW2, ESPECIALLY in PvP.
Again if you’re willing to curb your efficiency and be a liability in upper content you can rely solely on your mouse.
Mouse movement doesn’t flow with FFXIV but it’s possible as it is in GW2. Left+right click will steer you in the direction your moving, but you can’t press skills this way relying solely on the mouse (GW2 has this EXACT control scheme). You can also set an auto-run key on your mouse as you can in GW2, but multiple skills do not stop movement so you’ll run past the opponent. This is extremely inefficient, and a notable DPS loss which makes it unserviceable for content like Gordias A3S dps checks.
The basic attack is functionally the exact same as an autoattack. Hell it can be specifically set to the hotbar. In fact Healers and mages generally do not apply their auto attack because they’re melee based for everyone but BRD and MCH, while the mages are at mid to far range.
What is every dev? Don’t pull information out of your ass. Furthermore the ability to handicap yourself by reducing your gameplay can again be done in any of the mentioned games including FFXIV.
The perspective doesn’t change gameplay for any of these games.
All classes have to move to dodge telegraphs as well as deal with any applicable mechanic. Wotutalkingboutwillis.
If you roll your head on the keyboard you are again a liability. You can roll your head on the keyboard in any game doesn’t make it a sound decision nor does it make a remotely convincing argument for differentiation between other games.
You haven’t shown any of the mentioned games can’t be “played” with only the mouse. It’s just blatantly a waste of time to do so in any of them due to a huge loss of efficiency, but that should be obvious.
Your inane definitions of tab-target don’t hold water. Particularly when your argument is “You can click on enemies to target them and click on your skills”. Which is a pointless tangent and a dishonest deflection when it’s an ability possessed in all the mentioned games.
A clear example of a non-tab-target based game is Hirez Moba Smite. Where everything is a (at time I last played it) a skill-shot relative to your character’s location. Typical FPS’ and most TPS. MMO’s such as Tera and so on.
Tab-target games fall under the umbrella of MMO games where you attack mobs off your skill bar and cycle through enemies with tab. You haven’t mentioned or successfully refuted any of the games I mentioned falling under this umbrella with this long discussion. Other types in the MMO are the Hybrid (GW2, TSO) and the aim/reticle combat. Hybrid games are still tab-target based and aren’t a complete abandonment of the tab-target gameplay that you get from the previous models of MMO’s. Compared to games where everything is aimed, which certainly not true for GW2, B&S, TSO (although the remake is trying to move closer towards that as an option) and Tree of Savior’s archer, mage and Corsair C3 classes.
Tab-target games are a compromise between full action combat given the general limitations in an online setting and are being gradually phased out. The in-between is often a hybrid approach retaining tab-target combat and as such full action MMO’s are a rarity.
but, 11 and 12 is just normal mode of 1 raid I made an example of… there are:
- the whole dun scaith with fast aoe mechanics. (5 bosses)
- alexander savage 1 through 12 (that is 12 more bosses)
- containment bay extremes (that is 4 more bosses)
example of containment bay bosses levels:
I can continue,
this gives you over 20 bosses with unique mechanics and extremely fast AOE’s that you need to move, while casting at the same time.
You can play mouse mode only in wow, i have seen this, i have done it as a discipline priest in Burning Crusade during black tample raiding times. In FF there are bosses you can do that way, but all of the “extremes” i dare you to do it and post a video. I would be interested to see.
The difficulty of the content is irrelevant to the arguments as a whole. Some of y’all need to try Ranger’s Burrow and see how targetting in this game works for real -_-.
/discussion.
Moving back to Ktos.
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This is getting out of hand even by my standards… make a thread in off topic.
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wow
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“Make Sorcer good again !”
Nah it’s ok, we will reach 10k posts in this thread if we continue like this .
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I think you misunderstood everything since the beggining, proved by your first sentance. By the way, I’m not using my own definitons, just the definitions. We could avoid this meaningless discussion if you were able to read.
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what the hell is going on ? who is this summon ?
Some build like cyro3>sorcer3>sage would be amazing ! or even cyro3>sorcer2>thaum1>sage
Please, stop flooding this thread by your ToS vs GW2 vs FF14 discussion. Make another thread for it.
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Will macumbiero and fortune teller be rank 9 classes
Hes using Helgasercle.
i think they will be rank 10. rank 9 is probably shepherd and lama
, idk where zealot is supposed to go.
you bring up a very valid point.
since there are 5 known classes in the cleric tree that were data mined. I would assume that one of them would have to be scratched, or moved to hidden,
Chances are: Shepherd or zealot are hidden, however, inquisitor was never datamined before rank 8. so chances are, lama will be just completely scratched. and all my hopes and dreams will be shattered…