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kTOS General Thread v2.0

ok that’s strong as ■■■■

Ice damage scaled from that ROI. Icebolt > freeze > Iceblast.

omg is this a dream? seems like they change charge delay so u can use skill right after you charged them!!!!

plz somebody tell me this isnt a dream ahdgaafgdgsjsgd

If that’s your video, could you do it without RoI pls? show how important RoI is in all this “Cryomancer opop madness”?

Just comparing about the skill investment, because it seems to be your only problem about to losing 30 skill points from that skills.

OK however with different Investment, do you think Pyro can win againts Cryo’s DPS?
while Pyro can’t say thanks to god about powerfull crowd controlling skills.

Elemental attacks seems scaled high after patch. (Percentile)
Especially on cryo.

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Yes, same MATK different distribution and other class instead of RC to further improve it’s dmg, like Enchanter which gives 500 + 33% MATK lighting property damage, is gonna big dmg to pyro.

The thing is cryo does little as a class alone to groups of mobs, he only has crowd control skill but not crowd killing skill. The only reason he does work in this video is cause linker3, not cause cryo opop. Get linker3 + a high burst skill like Necromancer’s Flesh Strike, all mobs are gonna die also.

Best to invest on Elemental attacks on head gears seriously.

Yeah and also crazy Enchanter’s Enchant lightning giving +33% MATK as lightning property attack. Cryo has some multihits, but not that much really.

We just discuss about Cryo vs Pyro.

However, if Pyro can get benefit from other classes, that means Cryos are able too.

If we are discussing cryo alone, no Rune caster involved, Pyro’s can win cryomancer 100% of the time. Cryo loses all the time. If you can manage to get same character cryo3 and pyro3 same stats and try to kill a group of r8 monsters (5-7) and use no other class skill, pyro kills them faster 100% of the time.

take into account all this videos are with rune of ice which increases final damage by +150%, total of 250% of normal damage, nearly tripled.

and while againts bosses Cryos win multiple of 100% of the time from pyro? lol

If the boss is completely ALONE, i bet yes, but it’s not a 100% more like 80% - 20%. But you are gonna tell me, Cryo is better than pyro only cause he can deal more single target damage while pyro specializes on AoE damage? Is it not balanced for 1 class to do his single target job corectly and the other to do AoE damage job correctly?

If you simiply want pyro to be stronger than cryo in all scenarios that’s unbalanced mate.

If you’re talking about this graph, then you’re totally misreading it.

They didn’t remove skill out of the graph. They removed the flat damage gained from skills. On the first graph if you had 0 weapons/stat/level you’ll still deal damage due to the purple “skill attack”. On the 2nd graph this is no longer a factor, and if you had 0 weapon/stats/level you’d deal 0 dmg regardless how high your skill’s enhance attribute is.

Also while we’re at this please don’t take IMC’s statements word-for-word. They’re horrible at this and that announcement in particular is filled with mistranslations and horrible graphs.

I mean look at literally the first graph they showed

Curved graph on the “Before” damage formula when it’s obviously should’ve been linear lmao. They’re not lying, they’re just really bad at PR.

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Tbh, Cryo shouldn’t even be that close (or higher) to Pyro’s damage in the first place. Pyromancer skills don’t crowd control and have a ton of utility.

Absolutely nope. That’s because Cryos has did his job as a powerful crowd controller and don’t forget about that defensive subzero shield.
Giving Cryos a powerfull DPS is not Fair. While the other classes that deal damage only lose DPS from Cryos. Is it something fair?

Pyromancer’s Fire pillar totally doesn’t root enemies in place. And why shouldn’t cryo be able to do single target damage? You are simply inclined to think: cryo = support. In live servers i was doing 14M damage railgun’s before quitting. Cryo has potential, but not 100% dmg uptime, it’s short bursts.

Also my point all the time is, you have a 60 sec cooldown burst for single target AND NOTHING ELSE DMG WISE as cryo.

You are simply want cryo supports. Rune caster was done so that there would be a build path for offensive cryos, you have to accept offensive cryos can exist, and have short time high power skills no other class has.

If you could understand simply how it feels to level a cryo exclusive dmg class from 0 to 317 before R8 monsters were nerfed and doing questlines solo. You would know like I do.

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Ok so why shouldn’t cryo alone be able to have a 60 sec cooldown burst? (ice wall cd, not taking into account rune of ice). Simply because it gives Support? remmeber that the combo (ice wall + ice blast) doesn’t work well for AoE damage by itself.

It’s 2 worlds. Crowd control, and single target dmg. But 0 aoe dmg. Try to play solo against anything that aren’t bosses, you are ■■■■■■ as cryo alone.

One last thing before I leave. ALL THESE VIDEOS WERE WITH RUNE OF ICE, try to find one without it and you’ll see cryo alone doens’t deal that brutality of damage. So don’t just come saying cryo has damage. Rune caster gives damage to cryo.