What do you think about:
Sword 3 > HL 3 > (Barb 1 or doppel 1) > Shinobi?
Is HL3’s damage equal to Corsair 3’s damage?
HL damage is nice now 
but still prefer 3 doppel 
You should try this when we get the patch, maybe it will not be your preference anymore.
Updated first post with a picture and rank reset info
@GoldenCross Corsair3 benefit is pillage passive, and a nice [missile] support buff with jolly roger. Dust devil is decent slash damage and CC (spins mobs).
Sword3 High3 will have more offensive skills with High3. Skull swing before burst is very strong.
If you focus on slash attacks, recommend barb for Cleave buff&debuff (Sword3 HL3 Barb1 shinobi).
Shinobi clones copy swordie skills and copy highlander moulinet.
Vid of shinobi cloned moulinet. Clone + cleave + crown + moulinet combo.
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Thanks, so high 3’s skills alone are enough?
How does sword 3 HL 3 barb 1 shinobi compare to sword 1 high 3 barb 1 Doppel 3?
Obviously doppel will win on AOE damage, but how about single target (boss fights)?
What about Dragoon 2? Thinking of trying it but I heard Cataphract is going to be garbage so I don’t know what would be the most optimal build path 
Critical Attack does get multiplied by skill factor. I tried it on ktest…
damage = %factor(skill) x attack x log10(attack / (defense + 1) + 1)^0,9 + additional damage
Full formula is more likely to be:
non-crit attack = %factor(skill) x attack x log10(attack / (defense + 1) + 1)^0,9 + additional damage
crit attack = %factor(skill) x [(attack * 1,5) + critical attack] x log10([(attack * 1,5) + critical attack] / (defense + 1) + 1)^0,9 + additional damage
If we’d like to put it into a single formula, we must fill in an “IF” value.
damage = %factor(skill) x attack x log10(attack / (defense + 1) + 1)^0,9 + additional damage
attack = [IF Critical = True, return [(Physical Attack * 1,5) + Critical Attack] else [Physical Attack]
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Difficult to compare, because it will depend on gear.
Shinobi build damage is nice. You must have clones activated to have optimal performance.
Clones copy swordie double slash, bash, thrust, pommel beat. And Highlander crown, moulinet.
Dop3 is very popular. Sword3 high3 build is very rare. Recommend you to test the builds when we get reset.
@FONTOURAO Have few dragoon vids in first post, maybe you could get some ideas for builds after watching some.
Some I have seen
Sword3 Cata3 drag2
Sword3 Hop3 drag2
Pelt hop3 dop drag2
Sword3 barb3 drag2
Sword3 high3 drag2
Maybe you could try non-spear too during reset, you could like it. This is a good opportunity.
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Critical Attack was never multiplied by anything universal. I think the only classes that have something like that is Highlander 2h mastery (+25% of the stat on new patch) and Fencer Epee Garde (+50% of the whole critical damage on new patch).
The only advantage of focusing on Critical Attack is actually its disadvantage as well:
By not being inside the formula, it can’t be reduced by normal defenses.
Therefore, for those who do not have crit dmg skill modifiers, it will be like using an arde dagger (its damage can’t be reduced normally as well) with the exception that it only procs when you crit and can be raised with stat and items.
Except as I said above (With video you can watch for evidence), Crit Attack is NOT factored into the log calculation.
Neither does your attack get 1.5x on crit for the log part, it’s only your attack on the stat sheet, nothing else.
Feel free to present your own proof otherwise, though that’d mean IMC change the formula again in the short time between that video and your testing.
No longer true in the new calculation. +property attack on the other hand does ignore defense (on the flip side it does not benefit from skill factor)
This is almost everyone before and definitely after the revamp hits:
Edit: I removed a redundant [and]. 
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EDIT: Ok I jumped a little and now I read what you all said.
What makes you think that critical damage is jut not only the old formula added in the end like it is now? Or like a property attack for that matter?
If you’re talking about this formula:
crit attack = %factor(skill) x [(attack * 1,5) + critical attack] x log10([(attack * 1,5) + critical attack] / (defense + 1) + 1)^0,9 + additional damage
I would say not quite, because you have two parts, one that is reduced:
crit attack = %factor(skill) x [(attack * 1,5) + critical attack] x log10([(attack * 1,5) + critical attack] / (defense + 1) + 1)^0,9 + additional damage
and another which isn’t
crit attack = %factor(skill) x [(attack * 1,5) + critical attack] x log10([(attack * 1,5) + critical attack] / (defense + 1) + 1)^0,9 + additional damage
If it is another, please tell me because I did not find the formula on dev blogs nor in any other source, which is something that interest me.
I have a question with the new patch coming, the wiz2 and wiz3 still necessary for a good elementalist and if not Cryo3-Ele3-RC could be good for solo?
So, let’s take into account the guy is hitting Lv291 Vilkas: https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/npcs/58592
DEF = 1123
STR Video: 1648~1675 P.Atk, 20 C. Atk
DEX Video: 1087~1114 P.Atk, 1612 C.Atk
Now I’m not sure what level Pouncing he has or Attribute, but let’s consider it Lv5 with no attribute: 144%
STR case would result in 1564 Damage while DEX 1572 Damage.
So yeah, rofldat is correct about the log part (it’s only “attack” multiplied there), while Skill Factor is applied to “Attack x 1.5 + Critical Attack”.
I achieved those results with this formula:
damage = %factor(skill) x attack x log10(attack / (defense + 1) + 1)^0,9 + additional damage
attack = [IF Critical = True, return [(Physical Attack * 1,5) + Critical Attack] else [Physical Attack]
The guy in the video might have a Lv30 attribute on that though, we can’t check that.
I can’t say whether this is the exact formula or not, but about Crit Attack multiplying with Skill Factor, it does, I’m 100% sure about it. On kTest I tried both full STR and full DEX archer classes (especially those with +(Critical Chance)% skills). I can say that Appraiser’s Blindside full DEX was hitting like a truck. It wouldn’t if Crit. Attack was just summed as additional damage.
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Vid
Some monk TBL PVP
Monk double punch destroying dummy [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDGUrVqQ1r8)
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May i know if this is full dex? the punch speed seems really fast.
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Yes, high dex monk.
Double punch speed is affected by dex (and connection).
Monstrance boost +30% dex, and +10 dex. A lot of speed.
Example of dex monk vs mobs [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVSro2Iyeo&t=506)
vid
Earthtower
- Wizard c1, Cryomancer c3, Chronomancer c3, Sage c1
- Wizard c2, Linker c3, Chronomancer c3
- Archer c2, Sapper c2, Fletcher c3, Mergen c1
- Swordman c1, Highlander c3, Barbarian c1, Doppelsoeldner c3
- Cleric c3, Priest c3, Miko c1, Daoshi c1
Former fantasy library
Chrono3
chaplain taoist
highlander3 doppel
falcon3
sapper3 appraiser cannon
Sword3 barb3 goon2
And
Sword3 hop3 goon2
Sword3 pain barrier recommended for hoplite3 because your evasion is very low with finestra buff.
Bosses will knock you a lot.
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Fking hate the colour scheme of this forum, anyway. (Grey on white for creating a new message. Plus mild dyslexia means I’m not good with black text on white background anyway. All my papers are done in yellow. (Colour overlays on pc’s are horrible))
Ok eff this crap. Messed up multiple things in my calculation.
Dex is useless other than evasion and attack speed.
In terms of damage Str far outweighs Dex. (1 I forgot to take into account 1.5x attack, 2 I forgot to take into account the damage from not critting to calculate and average damage)
With 1k attack against a 200 def enemy. << Str is from Wep or something. (Not stat based.)
Pure Str does 1.9k Average
Pure Dex does 1.7k Average
50/50 does 1.8k Average.
So on the assumption you have a 60% Crit rate and you benefit from the attack speed boost:
Dex > Str
However if you have neither of those
Str > Dex
One thing to notice though is that that’s on average 100 less damage for pure dex but you get an additional 80 evasion. Which assuming your evasion was already equal to the enemy accuracy, that’s a 17% evasion chance obtained from lowering your average damage by 100. (Your crit hits will be about 300 higher, but your none crits will be about 500 lower.)
Again though, remove the high crit rate and Str > Dex.
Can someone test Priest3 Stone skin? I really want to know its efficiency after the change.
Stone skin: Reduces Slash/Pierce/Bow/Pistol Damage dealt to you and your party members. 20% Reduction at level 5