Well to be fair in some of those overkills they were killing things from zones in 130-150 and im assuming being rank 7 they are well beyond that.
True, but not all of it was, in fact that cannoneer that overkilled was in the new grassy hills zone. Also archers can overkill too with flying mobs and are more effective at it simply because their ranged (at the cost of insane SP issues).
I do agree other classes need buffs, but barb needs no changes.
Thats how i lvld archer there was always a zone with flying monsters near your lvl just had to go there lol.
Im simply stating we should temper our expectations for new classes, if we go in expecting them all to be overkilling monsters because of that video were setting our selves up for disappointment.
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Archers canât overkill for sh it, even with lv 15 oblique (50% atribute) + Str/Dex build and +10 decent bow and killing small flying monster, you can 1 hit mobs when your oblique crits but it still doesnt give overkill because who knows, i think you have to overkill by a significant margin to get the overkill proc .
At Starving Demonâs Way, I have seen a lot of Archerâs overkilling and dealing damage on-par with the Barbarians.
I cant see how hoplite are best boss killers than barb. Sure you have Pierce with 4 hits, but it have longer cd and no overheat, as barb skills. Maybe because with Finestra you can go full STR? I donât known, but wanted to!
my experience, cata can pvp better than barb. more sustainability and movement speed
earth wave can 1/2 hp all squishy job, crit can do 2/3 of their hp
trot is very useful in pvp
my build is 230 crit rate(curently) + finestra = 280
and the rest STR
easily get 11k hp
going swordman-highlander-hoplite-cata-cata-cata
why highlander? because the knockdown
why hoplite? because when using stabbing you will increase evasion
eartwave+trot is just amazin
not to mention C3 cata skill
but doomspike is pretty much useless because long casting time
when you do pvp, just make sure you dont get slowed, and you can insta kill anything with knock+stabbing and finish with earthwave which have super range and super aoe
thats my opinion
its easy to kill people that only has STR or DEX. i canât be the only one realizing this.
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You arenât. I killed a full dex barb with my con spr Peltasta C3
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The problem with that thread is that barbs can get swashbuckling too. The highlander crit attack for two hand bonus isnt worth taking it for, since two handers suck anyway, and level 5 cartar stroke is only good untill you get seism and you dont really need it anymore. pelt-barb is the way to build a barb.
They are comparing barb to pelt which is just wrong. Pelt c1 is the most important thing for swordy, its like the linker1 of the swordsman tree. Everyone should take pelt at their first class change to be honest. It makes soloing a little harder early on, it makes you a little less overpowered in the level 50 dungeon, but its the long term winning approach.
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any input/opinion on that build.
because im leaning to either prist-krivis>pal3 or peltast3>fencer for OBT
@Elysion @schord
Finestra the bread and butter of Hoplite brings both DPS and Defense. 1minute crit & block bonus that can always be up 100%.
I havenât had trouble with dulla since i got venier, and 190 dungeon seems to go just fine too.
Not really when the 2 barbs OVERKILLING all the enemy 
Yeah you are correct
even without DEX hoplite can still crit pretty often with finestra specially those whoâve gone to C2 or C3
Also, mind that this game has Stat allocation scaling that gives bonus points to a stat whenever it reaches a certain point something like 1-50, the stat will gain a bonus point every 5 points, then 51-100, the stat will gain a bonus point every 4 points, then so and so
I donât have the whole list but yeah this explains the advantage of saturating just one stat for your needs and explains why hoplite is a total boss killer because even with the CD and stuffs, they make up out of it with Crits and high output from raw STR
donât forget barbarian c3 can become fencer , and can switch betwen Pierce boss killer or Seism Overkill for normal mobs , i can overkill small enemy just fine , my char lvl 163 and mobs is 175 can do overkill with defense penalty
that your teory , no aggresor cata is â â â â for pvp , finestra reduce your evasion and make your dodge suck
@Hordew
you dont need evasion in pvp, magic attacks ignores evasion and block. but block is better explained below.
also Finestra buffs the Block rate. block comes from CON which also increase maxHP. most hoplite>cata came from Peltast which gets block bonus attribute.
most archers build DEX aswell so you cant really evade archers since high accuracy. but you can block arrows. making block > evasion against archers.
Cata are strongest swordsmen in PvP combat due to moveSPEED = gap closer = enemies cant kite
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In asians we trust. Barbs isnât all that strong, sure you can dish out a lot of damage in such a short time but in term of longer DPS, they worn out really fast. Use all of the skills and then run around to get a refresh on cooldown, and in that time, theyâre pretty vulnerable. They can just Z attack but thatâs pretty static and slow. To me, they are probably like a short high burst type of class.
They can overkill just like most of you would whine about but thatâs the only thing they got, damage and damage only. In fact, in higher levels, their suck-o-meter began to rise and canât overkills unless they are at a higher level than the mobs but probably you wouldnât get any or little exp. Letâs say they focused on STR and DEX, one versus one, they are great (physical evasion only) but against a group of butt fisting of mobs at the same level (magic included), youâll be gasping for potions.Having high HP doesnât mean youâre a tank, durable yes, but certainly not a tank since you canât take even with a papercut damage.
you Need Eva and Accuracy trust me, you need shield for blocking or highlander crossguard ( two handed sword only) , archer is ez , the hardest one is cleric they can block any damage and revive with imba magic damage , best swordman is squire or corsair because hook and arrest can cc better and let other kill them