Whatever you say, keep complaining about every single irrelevant thing instead of actually playing the game.
Whatever floats your boat.
Meanwhile I’ll be here soloing with my support class while dealing with the KS instead of going to the forum to cry about it.
How is it irrelevant? The thread is pertaining to killstealing. I find it more ironic that you come to the forums to essentially nitpicking people coming to the forums complaining about things when they could be in game. Like you are doing exactly what you are bashing other people for. If it doesn’t bother you then it doesn’t bother you so why exactly did you come here to post? Your post is I guess what is defined as flame bait? It doesn’t make any sense otherwise.
Yes it is “flamebait”, “rude”, “bully”, “toxic”, etc, whatever makes you sleep at night. I hope you find something else to complain so you don’t get bored!
So instead of leveling your support class alone, you chose to “cry” about complaining on the forums?
Eh. Whatever floats your boat.
The other dude already used that one, you’ll have to come up with something new, friend!
Just reinforces that your post makes no sense. Complaining about complaining doesn’t mean you’re not complaining. You’re still complaining, which puts you in the same boat as the people you’re trying, and failing, to criticize.
Sorry but I can’t play right now because I’m getting KS’d 24/7 making my life completely impossible, I think I’m going to open another thread about KS and send a ticket so they can change the game mechanics to my liking after I complain enough!
Your only posts in this threads literally have done nothing but complain. So I guess you have nothing of value to contribute to this topic.
This topic stopped having value when people realized that whoever tried to counter-argue would automatically be considered a subhuman trash, or even a KSer themselves even though some claim the contrary because they simply understood that’s how the game works.
Heck, one even got asked his IGN in this topic while you all clearly know what happens when you post your IGN on that kind of topic when you’re against their arguments. Despite having a bunch of frustrated creeps blacklisting you for instances while you did nothing, I see no reason to do so.
Your manichean point of view is purely tiring, it just feels like arguing against tumblr SJWs, hence why I fully understand @Narue’s answers : this thread is basically dead, and isn’t worth any further serious discussion since every attempt at bringing another point of view than your (self-)righteous one is doomed.
From the perspective of someone who gets their mob stolen, the person who did so will always be seen negatively. You have people in this topic who don’t even acknowledge that killstealing is actually a thing and rely purely on the technical definition (which is still wrong when it comes to quest mobs anyways) when it has been explained, even in the title of the topic, that killstealing is a social construct which is very anti-player.
If the people debating refuse to acknowledge that much, then they have no business arguing to begin with. If you refuse to acknowledge that the side you are debating against does not exist then what you are debating for? How do you prove that a social construct does not exist?
I will give my opinion on KS.
First off i do believe that exist, but only if intentional, by that i mean the people is follow you killing all the monster that you engage but that only apply if not walking in the same direction to the quests. Things happens person can have worse ping than you or your is worse, and from the person point of view you not him did KS.
As a Ranger c3 i know i do KS sometimes but is not intentional, i try not to, but the skills have big range and deal lots damage, and Oblique Shot may hit your monster randomly but that is game design.
Now i see people reply to this post that condemn KS and that okay, but then i see people that worse than KSers, if he/she is KSed he/she will follow the person and harass then, to those guys i will tell you:
You are worse then the KSer, nothing but a KSer but with fake self-righteous, admit already that you are what you hate.
To the clerics that enter the instances found one person that did KS him intentional or not:
No, you do not get a free pass to not heal/buff him, when you enter in a instance is to work in group not matter the party you get, do your job. Leave personal vendetta out of it, you only making the group have a harder time.
You can tell when it’s intentional when a Linker is trying to use Joint Penalty and link a mob to grind and then some walks to the pulled mob and uses the skill right when you gather the mob. 
People werent just counter argumenting, they were saying ‘‘this is fine, l2p’’ if you say something like that you can expect flak. Do you see anyone saying something about ‘‘well thats simply the way it is, sorry to say. not much to do about it, but yeah it would be nice if it was different’’ get flak?
No, because the ‘‘counter arguments’’ dont actually try to argue, they are simply telling people this is a none-issue.
Im not familiar with those. My worst experience personally was FFXIVs ‘whiteknights’ they would do anything to derail a thread, argue for argues sake and complete ignore arguments, while making arguments based on strawmen.
All the while, staying completely ‘civil’ yet provocative.
It does remind me of the posts made in this thread by a few people.
As I said before, its like people argue and forget the topic is one that affects people in real time, and not some ‘‘fictional debate in your local debating club’’.
People are being screwed over here, hard. And the ‘‘counter arguments’’ are that its ‘‘fine’’? How are those even arguments?
Im always open to real argumentation tho. If people actually argue without arguing using ad-hominem and strawmen arguments like this:
every attempt at bringing another point of view than your (self-)righteous one is doomed.
My opinion in this particular discussion is certainly a righteous one. I do believe to be right. But a self-righteous one? Are you randomly using words, if not ill explain why thats incorrect.
I don’t believe to be right based on my own values, but on the values of society. You know, be nice to other people? Or at the least dont try to screw them over left and right, without a care in the world?
But as I said to @Narue , you are welcome to give arguments instead of giving your 10 cent, which coincidentally happens to be the exact same arguments as certain other people used, with almost the same words.
Theres no ‘‘do your job’’ tho. Healing others as a healing class is a matter of common courtesy and respect for others. I agree that this should simply be done, but then I believe the exact same thing for respecting others while playing and not KSing.
So if one does not respect another, it should not be considered strange if that other does not respect the one either.
PS: I think its interesting to note that during my playtime ive not seen a single other cleric besides myself trow heals or buffs at random players. I have seen a linker that linked mobs for me to kill, which surprised me, it was quite a nice thing to do.
This is true. But bear in mind the topic does not consider this killstealing. Killstealing is when its 100% intentional.
For example when that archer class moves up to a mob someone is about to melee hit, and kill it from range.
This kind of thing does happen a lot.
Doing what has been done to you back is called justice I believe. Now if the person KSes for a lot longer/more then it turns into vengeance which isnt right either, no.
That said, that only applies if the KSer believes in killstealing themselves. Otherwise that ‘‘vengeance’’ is just ‘‘competition’’ to them.
And you are welcome to stop crying.
I did specify for a reason, “instances” not normal dungeons or areas, there is no common courtesy there, each class do their job thats all.
If your DPS do that, if Support do that and if Tank do that AND without personal vendetta.
You do the best you can in Instances, otherwise you penalizing 3 other players that have nothing to do with it.
Do you think is right to make harder to group in a place that you can go so little number of times?
Dependes if is engaged or not, by that i mean if he did not have already hited it or have agro him with any skill.
It’s common courtesy to not hit/attack a mob not engaged to anyone that is close to someone, but not a rule.
exactly what i said. Not taking in account of true KSers believes.
what i said is to those “person KSes for a lot longer/more then it turns into vengeance which isnt right either, no.” is to.
[edit missised that last part]
Wait, when was I crying? xD
But thanks you for proving my point, I guess?
Since your first post in this thread.
And probably in other threads, considering how much you cried here.
The courtesy still applies there as well. If it prevents you from completing a run thats a somewhat different matter, however even then since there are no role designations in dungeons (be it tank or healer), it cant be considered ‘‘doing your job’’ to heal others.
It can be considered doing your job to simply play your best to help the team, but that goes towards more then just healing.
For example not pulling 10 mobs when your groups max aoe radius is 4. Using cc on mobs that are hitting someone at low health, etc.
No. It’s not. But neither is killstealing. And if one happened as a result of the other (whether ksing or ‘not helping out in dungeons’ was the first to happen) it doesnt make it right, but it does make it understandable.
The consequences of ones actions.
If I decided to be a clow and specifically refuse to heal someone in a dungeon, and that person decides to respond dby ksing me the next time we meet, then I only have myself to blame for this.
If someone is just in front of a mob and you hit them as an archer its pretty disrespectful, as melees have to run up to mobs into melee range.
Thats correct. But believe it or not, common courtesies have a far greater effect on societies then rules do. After all they are ‘unspoken rules’.
Its immediately a bad thing if someone were to hit a mob like this. Plenty of reasons why it could happen. But if it was fully intentional, then its not nice behaviour.
Yes, I agree with you. But its still an understandable position.
Being a bad person just because is a bit worse then being a bad person to other bad people because they were bad to you, in my point of view.
Oh okay, if you say so. Thanks for your useful contribution to the topic.
I still think its ironic that the first post of yours in this thread is complaining about others complaining tho…