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Kill Stealing - Is it against the Terms of Service?

what clarification you need really?
its an mmorpg and monster are for all. imc did that the one geting the loot of the monster is the one that doing the last hit.

I don’t think anyone here is complaining about KSing here.

And a clarification would be nice.

First of all, you can be easily be KSed, even to the point of harassment, while with a party in the same area, either by another party or individual players.

Secondly, mechanics preventing KS aren’t care bear designs but simply different systems.

Thirdly, when it’s obvious some repeated and widespread behavior of players is uncomfortable you don’t have to suck it up, especially when others feel the same, even if it’s a minority.
Of course, you have to employ common sense when protesting as a minority and understand when to give up, that is, when reasonable arguments exist. If the sentiment is shared by a majority you truly don’t have to give up until either a solution or a final announcement has been issued.

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what clarification you need really?
its an mmorpg and monster are for all. imc did that the one geting the loot of the monster is the one that doing the last hit.

I approve !!!
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KS is evil !!!

I want IMC to say that killing monsters is okay even if someone claims they belonged to him instead.

And that griefing and harassing is not okay and people should record it and submit a ticket if this kind of problematic behaviour continues for prolonged periods.

It would end these threads pretty much :slight_smile:

Hold up, you cant consider getting the last hit violating a tos.

It would be like leaving a jar of candy outside in the middle of town square and then arresting anyone who takes any.

If this game gave a single ■■■■ about it they would change the way mechanics work if they didnt like it.

Instead they would do what WoW does and set up a tagging system where if people hit it first its theres until it leashes back or isnt hit for so long. Then it would reset and people would be able to claim the new tag.

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I want IMC to say that killing monsters is okay?
you want imc say this?
what next ? you wnat imc to say if its ok for you to play at all?
monster are for all the players .

That is just wrong. If most people enjoy the current game mechanics, it’s not okay if you keep whining about it and knowing you’re minority and it would make the game less enjoyable for the majority.

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We know what KSing is and what it means.

People just wants the ToS to be in greater detail, because many people break the ToS without knowing and then they get banned or suspended or such and then complain. Technically you should read the ToS before playing any game.

You got that wrong… I want IMC to nicely say the official stand on this matter to stop these threads getting spammed over and over again. Because seemingly it doesn’t seem to stop otherwise.

KSing is like taking something off the shelf when someone is obviously reaching for it in real life.

Apologising and move on or intentionally doing it happens in real life scenerio as well. Against the law? No. Being a huge ■■■■? Yes.

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How about you re-read my statement.
You can’t ignore the wishes of minorities. However, when there is no compromise possible and you’ve delivered acceptable arguments, then indeed, a minority would have to concede.

To not paint a misleading picture, I have no idea how many are disturbed by the current mechanics.
People have questioned the KS system since the beginning and IMC didn’t change anything, yet, the issue is still maintaining a considerable momentum.

botom line what you "protectors of the innocent " want?
imc to say that they will ban people for ksing?
get over it if you dont like this parts of mmo then why play and mmo over a solo game?

Kill Stealing won’t get anyone banned. I was trying to point out an example. Kill Stealing is in every MMOs and I understand that. You get KSed and then you move on. If someone is constantly KSing you, you CC. I’m here to see what was IMC’s standpoint on KSing was all. Not here to complain about KSers and cry to IMC.

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You could also read it like OP is a malicious KSer, asking if they could get banned for it or not, and is just waiting for the OK so they can go harass people all day since it’s not against the TOS.

Seriously, nobody’s complaining about nor advocating KSing, just wondering if that counts as violating the rules.

Exactly, they’re for everyone. Not just you. And taking them all for yourself could possibly be considered abusive, disruptive, or hinder the natural progression of the game.

They’re equally for both players, the KSed and the KSer. So if one player goes too far, could they get reported or banned?

It’s not something to be casually brushed aside, it’s already stated in the rules, so someone could potentially get (wrongfully?) punished simply for the act of attacking the monster in front of them.

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you actually think that ANYONE would care even the slightest if its allowed or not? I’d not even care if they ban me to be honest.

If you dont care about getting banned, then why even play. Surely there are games out there that you do give a ■■■■ about and want to play.

the most funy thing is when youre support/healer and noobs are ksng youre stuff and later theyre inviting you for pt(because its too hard to solo farm) or heal (well why he should waste pots when he can grab a cleric ?)…my friend is a bit well…he holds grudges so everytime some ks’s mobs from (well not 1-3 mobs but a bunch by “Alpha behavior” coming to a spot and taking it because HE came and the rest can gtfo) him he notes who made it so later he can say “sorry mr kser try geting better alone rather than asking others to make youre char better”

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yet i first asking for party. then if the player dont want to party up what can i do? stop doing the quest i do and lose the EXP?
some poele jsut dont understand that mmo are not solo games. yuo need to party up or suck it up.