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Is wiz3 reaaaaaally worth it?

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#14

I think is worth it at all. 50% is just absurd amplified damage for any class, and late game -wise may me a must for DPS wizards. I was actually beetween wiz 1 - pyro 3 - linker 2 - featherfoot and wiz 3 - linker 2/3 - psychokino - featherfoot.

But after some theorycrafting i decided to go with wiz 3 - linker 2/3 (still deciding) - psychokino - featherfoot. I can share surespell and quick cast buffs, link mobs and use quickcast to deal crazy damage with magic missile/featherfoot skills and stuff. Pyro would give more much easier early game but i’m not sure about if at level 300+ pyro will have any utility (it should has though)

Ps: just took a look at ur build and it seems similar to mine, the difference only in rank 6-7 xD. Sounds fine, if i went warlock i think i would go for Ele 3 just to max out DPS, but its just me. As featherfoot spells are single target, i got linker to synergize better.

good luck cya

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#15

Despite the worth I like sorc2 and featherfoot so there goes 50% damage, althougj quick cast is useless for me anyway since I dont have a charge skill :T

#16

What about Mastema? It seems to have a really nice damage, but since I used to be a WoW player I’m worried about the “enemies attacked can take you as a prior target” part. Seems to me that it kinda increases my “aggro”. I mean, in a group situation, wouldn’t it be troublesome for tanks or they can easily surpass that “aggro” gain?

#17

Actually any multi-hit skills , despite having cast time or not, has the number of “ticks” increased with quick cast besides the damage iirc, e.g frost cloud, PP, Flame ground or any other DoT/multi-“ticks” skill. And i can easily say most people pick wiz 3 JUST for the +50% matk atribute, the cast time reduction is just a bonus actually. Say for elementalist for example (the only big cast time is meteor but u can just sleep mobs and cast it anyway). That’s why people discuss building a pyro 2 - elementalist 3 instead of wiz 3 - ele 3 sometimes.

If u take away the +50% atribute from quick, i’m sure u will see 99% less or maybe none wiz 3 at all. That’s why it’s such a common build right now despite u going ele3 or not.

#18

Mastema is Warlocks poorer skill as it hits only one time and without a high multiplier like meteor (even meteor actually gets weak in pve pretty early believe it or not). It does make the target take more damage from holy property for a time so maybe it will have situational use with a cleric? It can be skipped in favor of Invocation/Pole/Dark Surge. Dark Surge is really good; every spirit gains 1 hit per skill level

As a general rule of thumb skills that hit multiple times are the ones you really want in your arsenal (they scale better). I know its kinda counter intuitive since the skill simulator doesn’t always list the number of hits lol.

Update on linker: dataminers found that they raised the cd on joint penalty by +7 seconds for international release. c1 used to be good for general pve, now if this stays the same it’ll be less viable than c2 :c

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/treeofsavior/comments/4al41k/itos_differences_with_ktos_datamined/

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#19

Is sorc c1 alone worth it? would it be fine without “hold” ?

I heard the AI is really shtty so

#20

RIP Linker. At least 20 characters.

#21

Ya i saw this, linker is a DEAD class for sure, no more useful disable, more cd’s, less utility, WELL DONE devs, u made it. Investing 3 circles wont make it better at all.

My build is officially dead and i dont know what to do actually.

#22

Yes it is.

/20characters

#23

Osht yep there goes my build

#24

there goes mine too -.-

#26

It still depends, Classes that have high number of hit on skills, applied with linker, will have much better efficiency with linker, even with the nerfs, simply because the link duration is enough to take down to take 5/8/10 enemies down at once, the problem is it not stacking with AoE damage, which makes Ele and most other low ranked classes useless, also Hangmans was pretty OP to begin with, you could get 100% CC on linked tartgets at higher levels, a lot for a Rank 3 class don’t you think?

So if your intention is to take Featherfoot or Warlock, Link might still be the way, though I’m still considering Thauma3.

#27

Oh yea my mind wasnt processing after getting a little pissed. Forgot about it not really mattering. Btw do pierce skills hit more times against linked enemies like temple shooter’s attack assuming theres 1 linked mobs behind another in front of temple shooter, does it hit once or more

#28

Wiz 3 now? No, there are better classes
Wiz 3 at max class Lvl400/600? Unsure, most likely a Yes

#29

Why would you plan for beta content instead of building for the future?

#30

I took this vid last night when my test wiz reached C3 on KTOS

That’s with only 10% damage increase on quickcast. It’s a lot of fun :slight_smile:
Still not great at boss fights though.

I’m still torn between pyro2 and wiz3, but the sheer carnage of magic missile and the scaling of quickcast have me leaning towards wiz3.

That said, steady aim just got nerfed, and it was not 100% uptime and only 45% damage increase.

Quickcast is 100% uptime and 50%. I expect quickcast to get nerfed at some point.

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#31

Thanks for the video. What are you going to be? Elementalist?
I’m seriously considering elem c3>warlock after linker nerf…

#32

No prob. I was comparing Pyro2 to Wiz3 for Thaumaturge - Necro. Maybe not a meta build, but it looks like fun to me and great party support.

Honestly I’m still undecided between the 2. Pyro2 is a boss killing fiend. The fireball skill is amazing, plus I love having access to bonus Z attacks. It’s a good party support buff, which combined with arm inflation could be good.

#33

Wow… Reading this , i think linker c1 isn’t viable anymore for soloing / dungeon right ?

Before it was great because of the imba aoe joint Penalty and hangmans knot CC. Even with aoe Nerf i still thought it could be great later on and secure a Dungeon slot…

with 2 seconds “hold” at lvl 5 it’s not worth the circle imo and ppl are gonna be like " linker c1 ? Gg reroll"

… am i missing something? ?__?

#34

Honestly speaking, wiz3 will be more useful than ele3 at level 600, the only good skills you will have will be eletrocute (with the combo, many hits, might be useful) and frost cloud, even metero stops being great at some point, is damage is no bigger than skills with a few multi hits used in linker situations. Remeber that if you are a good pyro+linker, only because of multihit purposes you can get more damage done than wiz3+ele3.

The nerf didn’t change joint’s cooldown that much, the main problem is hangmans, that was too much of a CC before, and now is only a CC good enough to cast like 1 or 2 spells, if you can make profit of that, it might be useful though. :wink:

(I’m still wondering what to make for myself so I like debates)

PS.: Linker C2 have always been a must, not for hangmans 100% CC, but for +3 enemies on JP, which makes a huge difference, any Linker1 builds not fully PvP oriented are just bad.