What does an optimized dps shinobi look like? Months ago, there were rumors of nerf. Not sure which build/class in particular. Afair, it’s the one with strike skills
Not sure about non-Hop builds, but my guildie has a Sw1 Pel1 Hop3 Rod1 Shinobi Murm1 that can carry a party with at least 1 Chrono. Equipped with Leather Solmiki set, Solmiki Spear and Emengard shield - high ugprade, high trans.
Sair 3 Nobi isn’t worth it but if you’re doing the ones with burst cloned DPS, like Murmnobi and Sword3 High 3 barb, then yes it is.
I made sair 3 nobi and I kind of regret it. I don’t wanna redo the stupid shinobi quest yet I need my sair 3.
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I have the same regret. Hahaha.
It’s still a good build, but it’s like a “jack of all trades, master of none”. A Sair3 Dop1 will beat it at farming/hunting. A ShinoMurm will beat it at DPS/WB-ing. I has a bit of both, but can never be better than either at what each does.
Hopefully we’ll get free resets when R9 comes so I can turn him into a pure-farm build depending on what comes with R9 while my main Sword becomes a Goon3.
An optimized nobi murm can burst 20m+ in 1 rotation. I think youre talking about slithering not giving strike debuff anymore? As it used to be slithering, highkick, and headbutt for 3x strike debuff. But now its slithering + headbutt(attrib) and high kick debuff so its just 2x strike debuff? Other than that i dont recall any “nerf rumors”.
I used my rank reset my sair3 nobi into shin murm
:< doing Shinobi class change is ALWAYS suffering
Honestly guys, I don’t wanna sound too rude, but I kinda call all of you in this bullshit here… rank resetting out of Shinobi doesn’t affect your Shinobi pre-quest unlock (which is the only annoying part, Yellow Flower, etc.) same for any other Hidden Class: you’ll just have to re-do the Advancement Class Quest which for Shinobi (like most other classes) is very easy.
The only instance in which you needed to redo the Shinobi pre-quest (or any pre-quest for Hidden Classes) was the very first Rank Reset introduced back in December 2016 and only that one, any other Rank Reset introduced later (Balance Event in May2017, Rank Reset from Adventure Journal, ToS DLC) did not reset your pre-quest progress (only Kannushis have the annoying part to change sex forth and back, to class) so I don’t really get what you’re complaining about… 
If you read the whole thread, it’s actually about OP complaining how hard Shino pre-quest is FOR THE FIRST TIME, not having to do the same after you’ve rank resetted from Shinobi.
I directly replied to rofldat and Melioetta, not to the OP.
(They are the ones that talked about Rank Resets)
I actually reset my sair 3 murm into Shinobi LOL
You misunderstood what I said.
I simply meant sair 3 and shinobi on the same character isn’t worth it.
And I need my sair 3 for pillage farming so I can’t reset it, which means if I want a proper Shinobi I have to make a new character to do all that bullshit again.
Also, the very first rank reset also does not remove your pre-quest unlock. That was a typo by IMC cofirmed by many people who did Miko. All you lost was your class levels, that’s all.
Also to the zero fox guy, the thread name is asking if it’s worth it. That was what I was replying to.
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All’s good. Just a little confusion. 
Except I wasn’t talking about the pre-quest, I was talking about the CLASS CHANGE QUEST ITSELF.
You know, kill a thing in Hall of Fame, wait 10 seconds without taking any hit (even on your pet), repeat FIFTY FREAKING TIMES?
It’s not hard, just extremely tedious
Last time i played was during they gave away rank resets and when appraiser just came out. I think the popular murm or shino-murm build back then used something like pelt2-rod3. So what build do shin-murm use now?
Strongest shino murm build is the sw1 pelt1 hop1 roldero3 shino murm, its the best dps atm cause the amount of skills usable with clone. Hop also gives crit rate, block, and aoe attack ratio cause of finestra and gives additional skill to use that works well with clone compared to the pelt2 rold3 shino murm. Tho the pelt2 or the sw3 still works but a bit weaker than the hop variant.
im using it too! such a wonderful build! i can deal so much DMG with crappy HG!
Also mainly cause 1h swords are the worst weapon in the game. That rank of hoplite allows you access to spears which are so much better.
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Just an update for those who went sair 3 like me :") , sair 3 now has a rank 8 option for Matador as there is no “cape” offhand. All capes on Matador is just animation.
So you can Rapier + Pistol on sair 3, unless you’re hop 2 then I would recommend you to change it.
Off-topic: Matadors also have a provoke skill similar to Pelt. Unlike Pelt, you may be able to use it with the gun as an offhand instead of having to manually swap each time…