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Is Highlander C3 a must? or Highlander C2 enough?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#9

It will get 30% damage per debuff. In normal ocasions, you’ll probably inflict Crown, Skull Swing (gives another adtional damage, but undisclosed) and maybe Bleed.
That’s 2 or 3 constant debuffs, representing 1.7 or 2.2 times more damage.

But now, consider those heavily debuffed World Bosses, with, some times 9 or more debuffs inflicted - that’s a 10x damage multiplier.

Now let’s say that you have 800 PATK and the skill at lv5: the damage dealt to those bosses would be 25000 minimum (we don’t know what is the Skull Swing buff modifier).

Is it worth it? Idk, maybe yes, maybe no.
We have to test.

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#10

you know, “swash buckling”

#11

I knew. I had to confirm…
Well, a entire rank for only that skill, good luck.

#12

and parties later on, worth it.

#13

I have 3 Reset Skills pots and will test it. I also have Cross Cut, Crown, Skull Swing and Zornhau (and stagg from Cross Guard)… 4 guaranteed debuffs = 1668+120%=3669 per charge, isn’t it?

About Peltasta, I agree with @kazamatenkai, but Peltasta has this attribute:

#14

but guard is not viable now. sad :frowning:

#15

Oh, I almost forgot about the “nerf” X.X

Well, I’m not Peltasta at all =P

#16

Yes, not to mention the evasion atribute, but I think that Swap weapons is very dificult.

I was about to take rodelero, so Press C is not worth anymore?

@Seraphica
I dont see the swash buckling as a bad thing on PvE, even if your build is not for tanking, but definatelly if your focus is PVP I dont recomend. Much better take Rodelero instead. At least you will have some debuff after press C. But as I saw, your focus is PvE.
That is my opinion. I dont think agro monster are essential, but I understand the good points of have that on the build.

#17

whoa!! whoa!! whoa!! you gotta have atleast one barb circle because of the debuff to slash. this is what makes swordie dople make alot of damage in the long run especially with their strong myriad of slash skills zornhau, zucken, redel and cyclone. . Don’t take s1 h3 p1 dop 2, i recommend getting the s1 h2 p1 barb 1 dop 2 or the s1 barb3 h1 dop 2 which is very dps based but no swashbuckle unless rank 8 dopel is considered a viable dps class living up to the archer and wizard.

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Highlander C3 vs Barbarian C1 - What to choose for Doppel?
#18

That attribute is referring to pressing C while equipped with a shield, known as Guard. The skill that got ‘nerfed’ is Guardian.

Anyway, I don’t think Highlander is a good pick at all, for a C2 or C3 class. Doppel beats it in damage - Seism will hit harder than Vertical Slash unless the target has a ton of debuffs, and Pouncing is a way better skill than anything HL has, plus you get Frenzy and Warcry to boost all of your damage more than Skull Swing will.

My Templar was a Highlander 3 and let me tell you, it was extremely painful to level up; and lategame your Highlander skills are all totally useless except skyliner against mobs that don’t resist crosscut, which turns out to be MOST of them.

For 2h builds, 1 circle of Highlander is good just to get Crossguard and the crit attack attribute. For anyone else, ignore it, it doesn’t exist.

#19

Lvl 277 here, had no problems to level up, my skills doesn’t disappoint my parties and still finding a lot of mobs who doesn’t resist to bleeding.
It’s subjective, cause I know a lot of players who are glad with their Highlanders C2/C3 and you are just an exception.

And don’t forget to mention Cartar Stroke, the second highest damage of Highlander (of course, when we use it against plate type armor).

By the way, a curiosity: Keel Hauling’s bleeding affects every mob and also works with Sky Liner.

#20

Bro I know what you mean but you leveled in an era where the swordsman str buff, increased hitbox and animation speed up were not yet introduced. Its not a paper 5% dps increased as what others have claimed I can assure you that. I leveled a barb to 175 back in the days and the experience The HL today is very different. I rolled a new swordsman the day the buffs came in and I’m very satisfied with the performance of HL. At the moment 227.

To OP:
I’m no doppel but rolling as a Pelt>HL3>Fencer2. Skull swing is freaking amazing for boss fights. My buddy is a hop2>cor2>Drag. In mission dungeon, just the 2 of us after applying skull swing, we are able to melt the golem under one min. This was with an afker and rainbow build pardoners that jumped around (gg matchmaking).

I am looking forward to the patch. It would be extra good dps button to drop in between cooldowns

#21

Fencer is the exception where I would say HL3 is actually really good, and in fact one of the few builds I’d go no pelt on Swordsman because the combination of Cleave and Lunge debuffs will make the new Vertical Strike hit like a monster truck.

#22

My vertical slash is hitting 5k per hit now from 1k on my level 145 highlander

EDIT: LOL IT ACTUALLY REACHED 10k, with enough debuffs, coming from a 145 highlander with 0% damage attributes on vert slash

#23

lvl 5? And how much attribute/debuffs do you have.

#24

i didn’t get to count, but there was a fletcher, druid and pyro + myself
level 1 vertical slash

#25

Can you perceive if the “debuffs’ buff” is +30%+30%+30%… or x1.3x1.3
x1.3?

@SlyGoat
In all seriousness, Sword1>High3>Barb1>Doppel3 is the best Doppel build right now, by far.
But the guy wants Peltasta, even it being so bad for Doppel.
So, it boils down to the High3 vs High2>Barb1 discussion of the “About Highlander C3” thread.
The result is a preference one.
I, myself, chose Highlander3 over the other variant.
I also had a Barbarian3 before, and can assure you that apart from Pouncing and Cleave, the class is utter ■■■■.

#26

I really cant, sorry I was too amazed by the damage that I used to just laughed it off and why I left my highlander

#27

ok now i regret going hl2>bar1.
il just change route and go dopel =/

#28

Actually that is a nice theme for discussion.

I created a new post to uf for debate that. I hope your guys join, because I’m in doubt of that too. Actually, I was about to get Rodelero C1 with no hope on HL C3 or Only Barb C1.

@Lostac @Ewanco @Palazzo @zellista @zellista @SlyGoat @MattBR @jordyrein
Here the new post for that: