Hi,
On the tread below about a doubt of swordsman we get caught on another discussion that was interesting.
What is better for a future Doppel that started Highlander C2 class:
Get Highlander C3 or Barbarian 1???
This generate many questions as:
Why take Barb C1, what this have in common with Doppel? Since is only the first circle, what this give to a Doppel more than more Skills to spam? Any Debuff that work with Doppel skills?
On the same way, why take HL C3 that gives only 2 more skills and a very small addition to the damage of previews skills?
Skull Swing is really so OP against bosses?
What is better for PVP and PVE?
Maybe none of these two is really worth it? Maybe take Rodelero C1 or Peltasta C1 its better, since it gives block for moments of dificult.
If you dont want tell something, at least tell what class you choose.
@MattBR Do you think only Highlander C2 can be enough? I know the addition to the damage its not so big on Circle 3, but it appear to be so little on circle 2.
The build for Doppel includes both Highlander3 and Barbarian1.
The Barbarian1 buff that people are referring to is the one of Cleave, that gives you 5 seconds of 50% more Slash Damage.
In the “Is Highlander C3 a must? or Highlander C2 enough?” thread, the “High3 vs High2>Barb1” doubt arose due to the fact that the OP there wanted to pick Peltasta, reducing the Rank availability to 3 instead of 4, before picking Doppel.
But well, with this Vertical Slash buff that we have now, I’ve never been happier for picking up High3 - some people are reporting 20k damage easily.
Because of where enemy defense is in the formula Skull Swing is a really great damage boost. It is better than level 10 Frenzy with full strength and even helps other people!
If you go doppel2, you WANT barb1, cleave debuff +cyclone does alot of damage. Skip Peltasta, take Barbarian1-H3, otherwise you’re gonna regret for the rest of your life.
Don’t forget about the new Doppel C3 buff. It’ll increase your slash damage and I hope it’ll be more than just 5s (4s in really)…
And as I say everyday, your choice between Barbarian, Peltasta or Corsair is totally personal.
Cleave debuff isn’t the GODNESS essential debuff. I remember very well when Barbarians had Aggressor and Savagery buffs. It was the same “hype”, and so… They were removed. Choose an entire Rank for only one skill isn’t worth, unless it’s your will (no pression).
It’s only worth if you’re almost “full” STR, numbers are still low. Let’s say lvl 330 mobs have 200-300k hp. What’s 300-600 additional damage compared to that? There you go : Nothing.
It should’ve been :
(STR * 0.08 + DEX * 0.08) * (skill level - 1)
That would be a reasonable damage, compared to what Archers deal.
I don’t think they’ll change it this time, or at least not by removing the Slash buff (maybe they could remove the +50 Crit Rate buff), because, I THINK, they buffed Cleave that way due to Hoplite’s Spear Lunge, that does the same thing, but for Pierce.
"As fellows Rank3s, one for Spears and the other for Swords, Hoplites and Barbarians should be equally matched"
I think IMC thought this when buffing Cleave.
▲ A new skill, “Zwerchhau”, adds a temporary bonus to slash attacks which, when used in conjunction with other techniques, can become a powerful grinding tool.
Perhaps this month we’ll test if Cleave debuff + this buff work together.
you take bar1 because the cleave, and helm chopper as extra strike based dmg and stun. also, since the guardian nerf, pelt become the worst pick for r2 for me, unless of course you want to be a taunt slave.
apparently vertical slash gives quite broken dmg. its on par with Muskeeter “Headshot” now. so I find HL3 is quite appealing.
unless youre fighting boss with really high defence, no, its just easier to use. 1 click you get all the bonus. bar frenzy+warcry gives more dmg than skull swing unless youre fighting, but the set up takes too long.
tbh, id say dont pvp with swordsman if youre not cor/cata. you might do well in 2v2 if theres no mages or clerics since they all are fighting at 5v5, but in 5v5 is quite harsh for melee.
but if you still insist, id choses bar3, because if pounching. its a pretty powerful pvp skill.
no, you block with crossguard. you dont want to swap weapon during fight due to the lagness of the game, just keep your 2h weapon.
idk if this even the right question, because you should get both.
if its HL3 vs bar3, then for me depends on pounching. if IMC somehow reduce its cd to 40s like Rush, then bar3 is way better than HL. but for now, seems like either choice is okay for me.
its 5s, they way buff/debuff countdown is they count the 0s as 1s, so cleave went 4,3,2,1,0, its 5s.[quote=“MattBR, post:9, topic:321523”]
Cleave debuff isn’t the GODNESS essential debuff.
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It is. my Cyclone went from 5kish to 9k. with 16-17 hits at lv 10, you are looking at 64-68k dmg difference.
Unfortunately one Cyclone has more than 5s of duration.
No, it’s not.
In a boss fight, PvE in general, OK, it’s a “SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY skill” like Aggressor was last year with its followers. But in PvP as you know, it’s too difficult to enjoy this debuff, because we are Swordsman.
PS. I know, you aren’t talking about PvP, but I can’t recognize this skill as “super mega giga” key for every swordsman to be something. Is it the new “Swash Buckling”?
No not really, Cleave is important if your skill set is revolved around Slash damage. What I meant back there is people will only take meta build for their party. People can be mean to non-meta builds. That’s why
