I’m currently sword>pelt>barb c2 and i have some doubts about barb c3 being ideal for a future pvp fencer.
Is pouncing worth it, pvp or pve wise?
Can lvl 10 seism kill everything up to what lvl?
If not, which rank 5 class would have a good synergy with fencer?
Well, Barb is getting buffed in future updates, and you can stack Frezy quite well, though I think that is more for PvM. Personally going Barbx2>Corsair>Fencerx2 for PvE and light PvP shenanigans. Once Rank 8 comes out, I may pick up another circle of Corsair.
The first one I made I leveled to 185 pretty easily, despite lacking Pelt. Seism if leveled to around 25-30 one shots bees at Dina’s Bee Farm. Very expensive and just easier to Seism/Head Chopper then Cleave until you get funds up. Outside of the Demon Prison grind I was able to solo if I wanted to.
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Barbarian period isn’t exactly the idea choice for Fencer, but you can definitely make it work.
If you’re talking about PvP, Barbarian is basically just Seism into Cleave. Helm Chopper is worthless PvP, since your opponent basically needs to be already stunned for you to ever hit them with it anyways. It’s not even a great skill PvE. If/when we get the Barbarian buffs to Cleave, Helm Chopper will basically be a 1 point only skill.
If we’re talking PvE, Barbarian circle 3 is absolutely key. They have 2 amazing attributes that greatly increase the potential of Barbarian. With Frenzy: Maintain Stacks, you can actually build up the skill without it resetting every 5 seconds. With WarCry: Add Target, you can increase the number of mobs you get with WarCry to 10, which essentially doubles the amount of free attack you can get from it.
Seism is a good skill. It’s going to get even better if we get the buffs that increase the Stun Chance. You will barely use Helm Chopper at that point since you will just want to Seism directly into Cleave, which is your most powerful skill.
As far as Pouncing goes, the jury is still out. It’s not good for PvE though. It has some use PvP, when chasing down opponents trying to flee, but overall it’s a very situational skill. The vast majority of players don’t even get it it seems.
If you want a Rank 5 class that has good synergy with Fencer, AnitaCafe is correct in recommending Corsair. Corsair is mostly a PvP class though. If you can land Iron Hook, it is absolutely amazing. Dust Devil is very nice in PvE, but doesn’t really work well in PvP because the CC is basically worthless there. Hexen Dropper is the fastest bursting skill on the Swordsman tree, but it requires you to get circle 2, which you might not want to do with Fencer. Jolly Roger has some PvE use, but doesn’t really do anything in PvP. I’m honestly not even a huge fan of its PvE benefits, aside from the silver.
In my opinion pouncing is really good for PvE. It sucks against a single mob, it’s decent against many mobs, but it really excels in boss fights. You keep running against the boss while pouncing is active and he will take most (if not all) hits that pouncing can deal during its full duration. If you turn on pain barrier before using pouncing you also guarantee you won’t waste your time being knocked back or knocked down during the skill. If you buff up with frenzy and warcry before pouncing you will also deal a lot more dmg since the additional dmg from those buffs add for each hit pouncing does.
For me it’s the best DPS skill I can use from all my arsenal during a boss fight. Doppel’s cyclone can maybe deal more hits per second but it doesn’t last as long and doesn’t deal as many hits.
The only complaint I have about pouncing is it’s REALLY long cooldown. I think 81 seconds is completely unecessary and it should instead be sitting at 40 sec. I mean, cataphract’s rush got boosted down to 40 sec cooldown (and it’s a similar skill) so why can’t pouncing get a nice boost for it’s cooldown as well?
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Pounce is really high damage skill (really underestimated by many players), since you hit like 2 times per second (not sure about that) with 1077 attack bonus. So the skill total damage is around 2000% + 21540 dmg over 10 seconds.
Cyclone 5 level in comparision deal 1200% +10128 damage over 4 seconds.
But its good only versus large targets or big group of enemies.
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Cyclone has overheat. This means with your math, Cyclone level 5 does 2400% + 20,256 damage with two seconds to spare.
i love pouncing skill, I not understand why people say it’s bad.
pouncing vs boss and in pvp is very good, i use alot.
I think people who underestimate it are just people who base their opinion on forum guides rather than trying it out personally and in different situations.
As someone already said, it’s the best Barb’s skill against most bosses.
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The hitbox is small and bad localized, which makes very hard to land on mobs around you, also the high CD. But is a very good skill against bosses and in PvP.
To the OP: As far as know, warcry is far better than frenzy when mobbing, and C3 gives you the attribute that doubles the amount of mobs affected by warcry, doubling the atk buff, so barbarian C3 is fine; not only it have good buffs that will be very useful later, but also some nice arsenal of slashes and strikes with high base damage and relative low CD (Helm Chopper is a 2xhits/attacks skill, which means 200% of scaling).
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People unable to use pounce doesn’t make it a bad skill.
Barb 3 ftw. I can understand barb 1 if/when changes from ktos transfer over but if not and you went barb 2, barb 3 or bust.
Correct. The massively long cooldown and small hitbox for a simple damage skill do though.
Massive cooldown is fine considering it’s a 30 hit skill.
You can use Seism almost 8 times in the time it takes it to go off cooldown. That’s just ridiculous.
And it still does less damage. It is long. But you can’t say it’s not balanced. The skill has massive damage.
I never said it wasn’t balanced. I said it wasn’t good in PvE, which I stand by. The duration is very high, which is nice. Barbarian isn’t about multi-hit skills and sustained DPS though. They are about single hit skills and quick burst. The buffs to Seism and Cleave that we will ideally be getting will only further this sort of role.
Thanks for the hints guys. My char will be focused in pvp so as long as i can kill 2 or more guys with pouncing in a battle i’m ok with the cd. I also want to know: how much damage can you get with a 10 hit warcry?
Pouncing? lol
You can just use stabbing after cross guard for 28 hits in about half the time, and the cooldown is less than half
Highlander C3 is a good choice for Fencer? Highlander C3 + Peltast or Highlander C3 + Corsair
Somebody said that Helm Chopper isn’t that great, but isn’t it the best stun skill? Plus it hits twice and can be as strong as Cleave (Though I’m not sure which would be better to invest points in)
I’m trying to see how helm chopper wouldn’t be good, stun is good in pvp too…
Stabbing does 18 hits and as far as I know is aoe dependant. Also, no one is saying stabbing is worse, stabbing, cyclone, throw kunai, hexen dropper And pouncing are strongest swordie skills.
Pouncing is also much stronger then stabbing in pvp, which I build for rather then pve. It does however stay strong in pve aswell.
In the future read the rest of the topic before you start fanboying.