It attacks twice, but at normal attack speed so its actually delaying other skills. For later levels the damage difference between lv 1 and lv 15 isnt that big anyways so you only really need it for utility.
In comparison, seism has a big aoe and cleave comes with huge dmg and a crit buff.
Regarding pouncing. Pouncing is essentially the barbs version of stabbing.
It does 30 hits over 10 seconds. It’s faster than your autoattack and with the attribute you get up to 100% bonus damage and since its seperate hits it benefits greatly from warcry/frenzy/patk. Furthermore you can attack while you walk so its good to deal damage when you chase down players and when you attack bosses. Difference between lv 1 and 5 is just 500 dmg per hit so not really worth leveling up. Downside is the long cooldown of 90 seconds.
It has poor AoE but you can use it to collect mobs and kill them afterwards with seism.
Attack Speed is affected by ping in this game, so I have been noticing some significant improvements on certain skills like Stabbing and Cyclone and my guess is that Pouncing will do the same.
Although the results change because not everyone has a similar ping, so I am trying to find out just how good it can get based on experiences from other people.
I’m running with 30ms, pouncing working great compared to before !
everytime I pass through something, it give 2 hits.
sometime it miss but I figured it’s becouse the hitbox are infront of the character. if you aim it right, it works great.
cyclone seem to stay the same, from before server ping changed for me from 200+ (NA) to 30-40 (EU).
And for the OP, I really think barbarian get it’s full potential at C3.
both for getting the attributes, and maxing seism.
Barb2 alone doesn’t seem to work so well due to frenzy will be really not viable to use.
worth it that for sure!
I got deeds on lvl 1 just now so I don’t know how viable this test is but I don’t see a difference.
Without it I did 27 hits just now, with it 26. It might be ping dependant as you said but it’s definitely not a matter of going close enough to hit the target - I’m wedged into it so that’s not the case. On that note, with higher level deeds it might make it hit more, got to run more tests after I level up.
One other thing I noticed is after using cyclone you can sprint and it doesn’t break the attack animation, meaning that slow from attribute isn’t as noticeable.
Using Deeds of Valor (DoV) Lv 5 and then swapping weapons I can notice my character’s animation actually attacks faster with normal attacks. But my ping is so high (400ms) even on normal attacks I can’t notice a difference on how fast the damage numbers go up on the enemies.
As for pouncing’s animation with or without DoV, I couldn’t tell a difference in my character’s swinging animation. Maybe the damage does pop up faster but I can’t tell for sure because my ping is too high.
Your ping certainly is lower compared to what most people, on average, have. So we hopefully will find a ping range in which the change becomes apparent.
Cyclone is harder to tell because it is already pretty good and fast, but if you pay really close attention to it you will see extra hits being dealt when using Deeds of Valor on a lower ping.
What is your ping on average?
Ah, that is too bad.
Your ping is too high though. Is that normal? Or are you waiting for a server transfer?
Besides what everyone else has already said, I want to make another point on the synergy between Barbarian and Fencer, from a different perspective.
Fencer gives you some of the best sustained DPS you can get for only investing 1 Circle to get it. The problem with Fencer is that it’s damage only goes so far, so it needs to get other tools to increase it’s damage potential. Because of the Rapier restriction, the options are limited, but among those Barbarian C3 gives you a pretty good amount of utility mainly through Frenzy and War Cry.
While Fencer has a good amount of sustained DPS, it isn’t that great when you have to deal damage fast (as in, you have little time to do as much damage as possible, otherwise known as _burst), which is only covered by Sept Etoiles but it is always nice to have another tool like Seism on the kit to complement it. This is mostly for PvP as that is where you will find these combat scenarios more frequently.
On the other hand, Barbarian is amazing for short fights against enemies with low HP. You will still find plenty of those mobs at higher level maps which will die to Seism just the same way you have been experiencing it so far.
The problem with Barbarian is that it lacks when it comes to longer fights because of it’s lack of sustained DPS. This is mainly why many people struggle with Barbarian C3->Doppelsoeldner C2 builds later on, because this type of build is focused around short fights rather than building up sustained DPS.
And well, you won’t run into this problem because Fencer will cover that weakness from Barbarian.
So all things considered, you are getting a pretty good amount of synergy in terms of playing style and combat weaknesses that either of the classes have and which you are fixing by putting them together.
The only other option I could consider at Rank 5 is Corsair, but that is if you are heavily invested into PvP as Barbarian C3 will give you a better balanced between PvE/PvP.
An honor to have you in my post, thx for the advice. My idea was having a balanced char with good resources: Block, Stun, Knockback, Burst and Sustained damage, while having some mobility too. I know cata is the current pvp king but i’m not into pets and spears, so i’m trying to choose the “2nd best”
Sadly that’s quite normal for me. I’m currently waiting for a server transfer.
I will try and test this again by wednesday if hopefully I manage to get a better ping in the new server.
That is partialy correct since I wouldnt be so sure about the “two seconds to spare” , cyclone got the starting animation that take around 1 second maybe bit less.
Anyway the point was to compare it to cyclone since stats of both those skills are similar, where cyclone is viewed by many players as a really good skill.
I dont think that DoV atttack speed have any effect on Pouncing or Cyclone, it sems for me the same in all cases. Fully stacked DoV on 10 level is giving +100% damage anyway.
Jumping on this thread too as i had my doubts on barb c3 as well. I’m currently lvling a barb going into fencer, but i’m still undecided between 2 builds: Barb c3 Fencer c2 or Barb c2 Corsair c2 Fencer c1.
Actually i was going for the second one (i like the idea of mixing corsair and fencer, plus i don’t like barb that much) but after reading this thread i’m back to my doubts. Seeing that everyone here is more expert than me, can someone tell me how those 2 builds compares?
Is the second one vastly inferior to the first one (the one that people seem to use more atm)? I’m wasting too much fencer potential going only 1 circle in it? And is corsair c2 worth enough to skip both barb c3 and fencer c2? (i guess not but not sure how bad it is).
Sorry for all these questions but i would greatly appreciate if someone could answer at least some of them, i still have a long way to reach circle 5 but i hope i have decided what path to take when i get there
I’d say the easiest way to check is to have these people with those claims go to royal mausoleum storage room and hit debris with their DoV on. It tells you exactly the amount of hits cause each hit does 1 damage after all. Easy testing area for it. Also good to wedge yourself into it for maximum hits.
Personally I didn’t see anything like that yet. My build is really more focused on burst damage rather then building it up through frenzy and warcry ( something I will regret in the future most likely ) but for now it’s doing fine. And I can always revert to being a tank that stuns for all I care
I win vs both not sure what you’re smoking. Only ones I can’t win currently is archers and even worse scouts. You can block their stuns and damage but until I have shinobi I can’t win vs them. Bind + kunai will be very nice.
If you want an evasion build I would say to get at least 20k HP (which you could do with somewhere around 120 points in CON and the rest on DEX, which would put you at around 200 DEX.
With a few points into STR (30, so 68 at Rank 7), with equipment that would be around 100 total points.
Otherwise you can go without Evasion and use a shield instead and go with a high CON build to go with Block instead.
It depends on the playing style you want to have. Evasion generally is better balanced between PvE/PvP, but High HP+Block would give you a lot more of survivability on PvP/GvG as it also covers magical damage.
