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IMC, Permaban is too harsh

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#1

I want to say first and foremost - I received access to my account again already. I am Not banned, nor do I know any individual that was.

I do think that players that abused the bug for personal gain do deserve a higher punishment than those that did not (if you can honestly accurately identify those individuals). But a permanent ban? Why not just a 1 week, or 2 week ban? Why permanent?

That’s really just overdoing it. Players put in hard legitimate work on their accounts. They made the wrong decision to abuse a bug, and attempt to turn a profit for themselves, but why does that justify losing all the legitimate effort they have put into the game?

Gold spammers? Ban the heck out of them.
Hackers? Ban into oblivion.
Bug abusers? Well honestly with the history you have with your player base about not meting out punishments particularly effectively, why would any individual have expected anything more than a rollback or a removal of items?

I think you should reinstate the accounts after a 2 week ban as punishment, and let it be known from here forward (perhaps through a permanent notice in the players lodge?) that anyone in the future that abuses bugs for personal gain will have a similar punishment placed on their accounts, with multiple infractions leading to a permanent ban.

Your player base isn’t particularly huge imc, you can’t just throw people off the train so haphazardly.

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#2

I personally think that anyone who is going to directly harm the market by taking advantage of the bug deserves to be punished, and the worst offenders - those who spent hours farming just to become rich and damage the market - deserve a good punishment. Though perma is pretty strict, I honestly am not that upset they’re gone.

#3

obviously those who abuse it should be permban… you abuse something its your problem… and your dumb enough to take advantage of a clear ban

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#4

We are still working on the list to retrieve the items and its locations, our primary goal is to minimize the difficulties caused by irregularly dropped items and its effect on the market too. We are giving efforts to fasten the process to free up the Innocent players as soon as possible and help them back to normal state. that is our priority.

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#5

Permaban is too much.
They just exploited a bug to gain personal benefit, preying on normal players through the market.
There is no reason to permaban them: you can just delete all of their characters. That way they can start again, knowing what happens when you exploit a clear bug.

#6

In this case, I don’t accept a permaban.
Because this bug was unavoidable: just playing and you encounter it.
If I wanted to farm all day in HG and I encountered a DPK bug, why I should stop playing for a day?
I keep playing and IMC will remove the items. It’s ok.
I can accept a temporary restriction and beign rewarded (not like they have done, is too much), but I can’t accept a permaban.

A permaban was right on who have abused on Mystical Cube for Practo, on who find a way to abuse.
Not in this case.

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#7

That’s exactly what IMC did…

they’re only permabanning severe exploiters.

#8

Can we get official word by IMC on which maps to avoid?

it’s been confirmed by another staff member that DPK values on a certain map are irregular, and my account is currently market/trade restricted until IMC is done investigating.

I’d like to play, but I’m discouraged to do so because of the chance of accidentally running into the bug again.

#9

We are still monitoring irregular spike on item drops or forum and the reddit, and the in-game to see if there is any sign might pops up.

#10

Yea. With the Practo Cube thing, it was people crashing channels. Something that openly hindered people’s ability to play the game.

With this, the worst that happens is that a few formerly-rare items become dirt-cheap and easy to obtain, so someone else who was hoarding these items (for their own personal financial gain, like everyone else) would lose out on the potential profit. Basically, they lost one opportunity to get other people’s silver. Sucks, but that’s market forces.

“I lost the possibility of making some silver on the market because the goods I hoarded aren’t valuable anymore” is nowhere near the same scale of gameplay hindrance as “I couldn’t even play today because the channels were crashing nonstop”.

Exploiting a bug is exploiting a bug, sure. But it should not be a black and white “you exploit, dat’s a permabannu”. The nature of the bug, of the exploit, and the overall context really matter. My gameplay was not hindered by the altered DPK rates, unlike with the practo cube incident. What DID end up hindering my gameplay was the multiple maintenance sessions that repeatedly failed to correct the issue!

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#12

why permaban players if it was IMC’s fault in the 1st place lol how ridiculous

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#13

For the same reason that if I sell you a gun and you shot someone, you’re the killer :slight_smile:

#14

With this shitty DPK everyone would abuse it.
The only who didn’t abuse are:

  • [EU]Fedimian, [SEA]Telsiai and [SEA]Varena servers
  • who wasn’t online
  • who was afk/doing something else

If the DPK wasn’t this shitty, wasn’t a big deal.
Why is a big deal? Let me explain:
with this shitty DPK items are really rare, so you find Purple weaps/armor in HG at over 10M silver, and market is almost empty.
Do you remember when they implemented HG?
Market was full of HG items, and the price wasn’t too much. You could find good items at cheap prices.
Now even walk in the game is expensive.

If the DPK wasn’t shitty, most of player could not abuse for:“ah, I can drop it when I want, don’t need to abuse it”.

Do you know the differences?
Me, as a farmer yes.

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#15

IMC has changed drop rates without saying anything before. Also, much of this happened AFTER they announced that they had fixed the DPK. Were people supposed to assume IMC was lying or something?

Also, nice slippery slope fallacy. “These guys killed mobs that were dropping loot more than before, so obviously they’re all going to be hook64 users and scriptkiddies by the end of the month, so we’d better permaban them just in case!” That kind of logic would lead to incredibly unjust things like life imprisonment for petty theft “because he might want more money and rob a bank in the future!”

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#16

It’s rare to see a post of someone who seems like he plays the game and knows how it is. Have my like.
Imho they could have just let the “bugged” droprates ingame. Seems like these were good.

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#17

And when will they answer my ticket or unblock my account? It’s been 5 days.

#18

There are a lot of tickets are coming in too, so it is possible that they could be missed, but can I ask what problem you sent to?

#19

Where does it even mention a perma ban?
Unless I missed something IMC are still sorting through accounts and compensating exploiters on a case by case basis

#20

However, once again, depending on the seriousness of the abuse these accounts will be permanently banned.

#21

Oh thanks guess I missed that.
Well I’m sure it will only be the very extreme cases
Unless you exploited 50 bb’s and sold them on the market you probably won’t be perma banned