Transcendence does not boost gem values. In other news, red gem is 185 patk on offhand, and there’s still no suitable offhand gem for wizards.
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right now at 330 I have 2008 matk unbuffed and I cannot deal sufficient damage to kill mobs that are 320+.
Things are indeed messed up though, it has nothing to do with full CON. You can check it out for yourself here: https://tos.neet.tv/zones - new maps are Khonot Forest and below.
If you click the mobs on each map, you can see every single monster in the new maps has at least twice as much mdef as they do pdef, with some reaching much higher.
Some examples:
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58475 - 462 PDEF / 1142 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58433 - 316 PDEF / 1948 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58490 - 352 PDEF / 1430 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58487 - 345 PDEF / 1418 MDEF
And none of these mobs are even level 300, meaning you can’t even use any new gear at that point. If you wanna delve into lv300+ mobs:
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58553 - 446 PDEF / 2404 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58550 - 444 PDEF / 2334 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58554 - 519 PDEF / 1334 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58549 - 446 PDEF / 1333 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58551 - 400 PDEF / 2643 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58450 - 522 PDEF / 1343 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58446 - 523 PDEF / 1310 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58566 - 403 PDEF / 2665 MDEF
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58556 - 1315 PDEF / 3118 MDEF (elite mob of which there are 4 on the map, one of the only mobs to ever break 1k pdef)
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58564 - 455 PDEF / 2410 MDEF
You can also calculate the damage you will do really easily having their mdef, Wizard has almost no damage multipliers.
(matk + skillatk - mdef) * 1.5 [if quickcast] * 1.01~2.00 [depending on attribute level]
So let’s see, if you get the new 315 purple staff (~9m? crafting cost atm), +10ed it (21 480 472 silver with absolutely 0 failures), level 4 transed it (49.8m cost and 42 days of rolling every extra opening of saalus cubes), with Squire Weapon Maintenance buff on, as a level 330 full INT character you’d reach about… 2948~3068 matk depending on hat enchants.
If you want to know how much, say, your Frost Cloud will do against a 1400 or 2400 mdef mob then just plug in the numbers (assuming 100% attribute):
(2948 + 643 - 1400) * 1.5 * 2 = 6573.
(2948 + 643 - 2400) * 1.5 * 2 = 3573.
Same calc with level 10 dark theurge’s numbers, 1984:
(2948 + 1984 - 1400) * 1.5 * 2 = 10596.
(2948 + 1984 - 2400) * 1.5 * 2 = 7596.
Anyways, i hope the post wasn’t too long. Bottomline: It’s completely asinine to have mdef values this high, specially in comparison to pdef when there are no real ways to mitigate mdef (against at least 3 skills to my knowledge that nullify pdef entirely). Magic’s only real multiplier is in the number of hits it tends to do, but that also results in MDEF applying to every single hit. Physical classes now have a myriad of multipliers through buffs and debuffs, along with high base damage-low hit count skills, to a point where high PDEF would hurt them a lot less.
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That’s sad then. I stand corrected.
So only weapon maintenance and new weapon + 15 is the only way ( with +200% and more eh)
That’s sound pretty much RIP magic class until you hit those values… that will take at least months ( assuming you have 500 int (thats 1.1k base))
So you need a weapon with 3k and up base total with transcended to be decent… oh god the horror. LF> magic pen gears
We should at least be able to use Red Gems on weapon - which are 310 max attack at level 7. Unless they’ve recently changed it, max attack should work on magic as well (one of the very first bracelets you get in the game with 10 max attack does) - so that’s ~155 average attack per gem.
I don’t see how magic pen could or even should be a stat, honestly. Attack already works on a 1:1 ratio with defense, so unless they made this into a % value (i.e. ignore x% of a monster’s defense), it would honestly feel misplaced and pointless as opposed to just pumping more magic attack or decreasing the mdef on mobs which have no business being this high in the first place.
For the meanwhile, until they fix the magical defense somehow, it’s time to play in parties for the last soloers.
We will never know. What they might change. Or a revamp in stats
Who know if they implement additional stats to transcend like for e.g (stage 5 gives you 20% ID regardless)
i will just play physical/clerics and heal people up instead meh until there is a fix…
Holy ■■■■, thanks for this, this answers my questions.
Reminds me of Ragnarok Online Renewal, where they fcked over magic classes by making the mdef formula more punishing than the def formula and giving most bosses more mdef than def…
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Not just that but the warlock had extremely high fixed cast times and rather poor damage formulas. “Ranger Online” was its popular nickname
I know, i have a Warlock in RO. I hated how inferior they were while Rangers killed almost everything on screen instantly with one hit.
I hope this trend won’t continue for long with TOS.
Transendence boosts gem values that applies to the primary weapon stat.
Do you have evidence it doesnt?
No it doesnt. Blue gems on rods do not count towards transcendence buff count.
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I don’t have the evidence, but I remember reading around here that gems count as “secondary enhancements” and transcendece boosts primary enhancements only, so atk and anvil.
I will check this again when I get the chance. I hope ur right cause ill be really annoyed otherwise >:(
*this is yyang btw
from what i recall blue gem directly adds matk to ur weapon primary matk stat. So i would be surprised if its not multiplied by transendence
I would look at that picture again and see where the arrows are pointing. Since ri0t claims Im wrong, i cant really cite myself as the source. Ill test this in like 5 hrs
Thanks for the numbers, it’s actually much clearer now. There is indeed a problem if there is no fair augmentation of difficulty for both physical and magical classes.
I hope there will be a fix about that
thank you very much, I have double checked the numbers and indeed transendence has no effect on gems. I will revise my guide to reflect that.
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~wigglewiggle,2017
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buf swordman plz
i 5 in damage ranking every tiem
i dont tanky a plague doctor is tank more than me
i dont heals and deal less damage
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