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IMC, Just rollback the servers

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#61

@sweeptheleg

They chose the short term solution, and apparently did a worse job than I even predicted.

People that just played like normal got a lazy rollback while others got nothing. People that farmed items specifically got away with it.

The rollback would have to go back to Tuesday to be effective. The longer they wait, the worse off the player base will be. If they decide not to at all, that means that they are saying you should exploit any “bug” because you will probably be punished even if you didn’t.

This is what I mean by incentivized unwanted behavior. By allowing players to benefit from this, they endorse that kind of behavior.

Half-assed solutions just make problems worse.

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#62

There was no solution. A rollback was never an option. I’m not sure what you guys expected. Database management is difficult even for well staffed organizations.

If I were them I would have just reverted the patch back to the prior one before Tuesday and called it a day without the 24 hour downtime, but that’s just me.

#63

Well they said item removal is an ongoing process, and they purposefully let the game reopen even though the process was unfinished, probably because so many players were begging for the maintenance to end.

If your main concern is how people are able to keep one item from the DPK thing, thus affecting the market and whatnot, then why not ask instead for them to take them all away, instead of saying you want a rollback that will undoubtedly hurt innocents?

You have no data on how many innocents will be negatively affected if a rollback were to happen, so how can you vouch for “long-term health for the majority”?

My friend got a mirtis helm she was farming constantly for, another one finally got a practonium (after opening boxes for months!!! On 7 characters!), and I myself got a rare boss card from a World Boss (that I have no desire to farm again due to how spawn timers don’t work because of channel crashing and people don’t regularly shout world bosses on my server).

Someone in this thread already said they finished miko quest during this fiasco, so I think it’s safe to say there are many many others that accomplished things that having a rollback would unfairly take away.

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#64

I am not a huge fan of rollback, but hey, i don’t care anymore just rollback this bull

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#65

Second this, the sooner this is over the better why put a band aid over a wound that will eventually turn into a amputation, just amputate this right now and be done with it.

Yes players will cry but they always do, you messed up son now fix it and not just half assed.

#66

I’m seeing an awful lot of rare recipes and items being sold in shout right now. :slight_smile:

I wonder how long till I start seeing their names pop up here.

This is as entertaining as the old silver exploit back in the early days. Take stuff away and suspend. Never outright ban. Would have liked to see some bans for the people that went full retard.

#67

People will loose either way. If you try to manually dig through accounts and subjectively determine who is guilty or not without their feedback you will also invalidate players time.

What they are currently doing is a rollback in a case by case basis, basically saying this players time was more valuable than the next. This also doesn’t actually fix the damage that was caused, nor does it punish all that benefit. In fact what this says is you should exploit any future problems because you will likely benefit and if you don’t you only hurt yourself.

A mass rollback fixes the situation, but they dragged their feet and put themselves in a worse situation by not doing so. Every hour they kept the servers open worse the problem got. In spite it being plasterd throughout he game, forums, and their bug report system, they did worse than nothing.

They literally are not only punishing people now that have done nothing wrong, they are rewarding those that did exploit it.

This is the exact reason that backups are made of a server. Some problems cannot be fixed after they happen, to track every single item gained, traded, crafted and to judge the intent accurately of a player solely from a log would require weeks with a staff of 30 dedicated people on a game as small as this. Even that can not fully fix the problem.

Fortunately in software we have the ability to turn back time.

#68

They already made that statement with the server crashing exploits in 2016, and the weed BS at the end of 2016.
Not to mention bots and necro AFK’s that have been going on forever.
This game has for the past year allowed degenerates (within the context of the game) to get ahead of regular folk.

Now there was a bug that universally applied to regular folks and degenerates alike. They all profitted directly or indirectly.

I’d let it slide and move on with my day. So long as people aren’t vendoring the items all that is occuring is a deflation of items value within the community. If they vendor the items now money is coming out of thin air that shouldn’t of been coming.
hence I’ve mentioned Gold bars before (was it in this thread or another i dont know). If DPK is screwed everywhere we have mobs that drop a flipping 50k vendor item. If anyone was farming that, or if a group was farming that, they could actually fuk up the economy through mass inflation which is the same problem bots create. This game would be very unbearable for some months if the prices of everything went up (not down) because of someone generating mass money out of thin air via this crap. Things being temporarily devalued won’t hurt user experience, although it will make some people salty given the speed of other peoples acquisition or that they weren’t “in” on it. If someone inflates the gold supply of the game however there would be a big problem.

People just selling drops to each other isn’t going to destroy the economy of the game, not on this scale. Its just already existing money circulating.

Other games would reroll for this, but that reroll would’ve already happened, guaranteed. At this point in time they’d be jerking their players around. I’m even hearing talk that it wasn’t just Friday but instead its been a problem since Tuesday? If that’s the case Lol @ a rollback wtf.

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#69

So you do a maintenance with error (at this point, nothing new), then you open the server and let people do the only thing you have to do FARM for 12 hours in a roll. They didn’t know if it was a drop event or an error. The company didn’t say anything also nothing new, and everyone farmed no matter what. Also the value of the item is subjetive let’s take for example a new player the weapons of his level is more important than any high end items for his current state.

EDIT: Now players have been blocked for 7days. What is this number? 7 days without Saalus, ET, Uphill, Mystical Cubes (so nicely implemented) and no farm. Just delay all your plans nothing to worry.

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#70

By the way, how big was the multiplier? x10? x100? x1000? Or every mob was dropping every item?

Just stumbled upon all this drama and somewhat curious.

#71

Maybe 100x… more or less.
Not everymob was dropping.

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#72

Hilarious!  

#73

btw, this is nothing…
IMC gave me 10000 multiply tokens and 1000000 tomes, so… who cares about battle bacelets?
I have my sissels already.

#74

A bug and a buggy compensation, huh? Even better.

#75

The only thing I know is that I didn’t get any battle bracelet, any purple HG cube, and only got 1 monster gem yesterday, but my account isblocked because I was farming at a lvl 320+ map and

gj

I really don’t mind a rollback, it’s way better tahn people keeping battle bracelets they got from that bug.

#76

To make a backup, the server would have to go offline during backup creation, ~30m ~1h / day

This doesnt happen, so imc cant do a rollback, they dont have a backup

#77

The more I learn about it the more it comes to that. It seems to have existed since after the maint itself, but some idiotic belligerent most likely was actually more of an idiot over the sneaky real exploiters, shared it with their friends, and that spread faster than Pandemic-Black Death Stream. Roughly around Wednesday~Thursday.

-You get a rollback and the problem magically erases. In fact innocent progress gets erased too. Everything does, for better or worse. Had it been rerolled I probably would have lost making my Riene Mace +12 and it would have been back at +6, with just 6~ Potential due to failing alot prior. How would you feel if you just crafted an 8x tome, powerleveled only to realized others ruined your experience and rolled you back? Anything with RNG and Time invested done during that time is effectively forgotten.

~You don’t rollback and the problem exists. Innocents WILL get caught, abusers WILL escape free, and time will slowly move forward still. Is the damage small enough to actually contain? Can they do it in a timely manner of removing people’s excessively gained items recently? I think they can, but mistakes will happen. Hell, if Riot can’t even get their Tribunal working and have only now, after over half a decade of pure toxicity and criticism reworked how to not be toxic in a massively played MOBA game, then I can’t expect IMC of all people to be more competent in terms of letting people go.

I didn’t do anything because I had a feeling it’d be a giant sinkhole. Tested it in a field and I decided not to play, and just chill on Twitch. And low and behold, I log back in without any restriction whatsoever. Who would have thought?

iirc there’s no way anyone would come out unscathed; and no way people wouldn’t get mad at something that happened here. So we’re back on the IMC hate train, for however long that occurs. (Or, whoever were actually taking this game seriously to begin with, lol)

#78

10 Hours VS 4~7 days + labor

Really IMC??

#79

IMC dont have a backup for rollback the server… its simple!!!

#80

@STAFF_Ethan, @STAFF_Yuri, @STAFF_Amy, @STAFF_Ines, @STAFF_Letitia

Date and Time(2017/06/03) :

Server Name:Klaipeda

Team Name:Deadly_Infection

Character Name:WarMage

Bug Description :
My account had been blocked to analyze, then released for access after 30 min was blocked again with another message after a server kick, and I did not do any bug, I dropped some items in hg that should be withdrawn from my account as Warning on the site and walks was done, I even sold or did trade with items, so my procedure was simple, now it is blocked from 4-7 days using the login message. I know people who abused a lot of dpk, sold thousands of items made riches and is online at that time playing and laughing at what happened. I have received a response from my tickets or emails I see a deep disregard of who really wants to play the game bring friends and have fun, meanwhile several players who made intense bug abuse, out bots and etc are online and I restricted logar Even on another server in which I do not even play, I am in klaipeda and I can not even enter orsha that has nothing to do with my source server, I’m going to miss the end of the storyteller event, I’m going to miss days of missions Daily while the real abusive toxic players and bots continue their journey of wear on the server. You can even unlock my account in the future, but it will not give me back the token days, will not return the shards of saalus convent, will not return the experiences perdias inside the game. To a player who does not have any kind of bad history to the community of tree of savior, much to the contrary, has brought dozens of friends, I help in fansites and groups of facebook new players every day and you to the messenger answer my tickets or EMAIL. Is the second time I return to the game after a hiatus of 4 months out of the game due to technical problems of the game itself, now that I thought I would have a full experience of the game I am blocked by a mistake of yours without being done a simple action That was proposed in the site of voices. Is my second account in the game the previous one has more or less 2 thousand hours of game in a time that the game was with terrible technical problems. Game since the beta and would like more respect to an old player of the game that has so much to add to other players.

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