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#52

MMO means everyone playing together in a same game, a same world, doesn’t mean they ALWAYS have to do a same thing together.

Proper MMO has aspects such as economy, world pvp, guilds wars, and crafting to facilitate emergent gameplay only possible by virtue of players interacting. There is a massive difference between this and a game where you can see other people but play it fine without interacting with them.

Your logic of “solo leveling” means “solo doing everything in the game” is ■■■■■■■ flawed.

I already told you I am not arguing that. Why do you continue to pretend to be arguing the same thing?

#53

Are you making an appeal to emotions? Because that’s the kind of stuff I see on tumblr often.

#54

I don’t believe so, where in my argument did I attempt to manipulate someone’s emotions rather than present my ideas in opposition to theirs?

#55

Yea it seems like I don’t understand what you are talking about. I just see that people were talking about how it’s hard for them to solo level as a Wizard then you start talking about the definition of MMO and that they have been playing it wrong. Who know maybe when they get to know more about the game, they will find a much more effective way to solo level.

Well whatever if you already said so then I will stop responding.

Forum is freaking laggy again when people went back after the CBT.

#56

Agree, it’s hard to solo a wiz. You can kill a boss tho, but it’ll take time. I have tried adding random people for party but they all decline. but when i tried talking to them, they all help me and started partying. Ya know, some people here are introvert, they wanna do quest and play games solo, they wont talk to you unless you talk to them. If youre aiming to reach higher level, look for a party or ask for some help next time. :smiley:

#57

Try pick linker in the combination. I played pyro>liker>elementalist and it help a lot in grinding.

#58

Party or group play sure important and good thing for MMO. But to be able to solo around is an optional way to play if player want to roam around to do solo thing. It seem wrong if we can’t do anything at all and need 100% of group play to killing everything in game. At least we should be able to killing some monster normally by ourself. Not everyone prefer to party up all the time to do every stuff. And downside of solo play is what you already see. They have to pay more for sp/hp potion to solo. Back to repair faster because they’ll be the only one who got hit by mob, Risk to die, take longer time to kill, etc.

While Party play for level up surely have more benefit than solo. Mostly people are party up and asking to party around. It’s good as in a good buff/healing that some job can provide to party member. Even my KR friend suggest to do party level up at high level because it’ll be faster (from 180 to 200). But if you want to making everything can’t be able to do solo at all that’s little too much.

The reason I play alone is I can’t communicate well with KR player. I’m also prefer to do quest not just stay in map and grinding. But if anyone invite me to party I’m always gladly to join them without any problem. I have to do grinding too sometime and if it’s come to grinding I’d suggest everyone to party up instead of solo alone.

Also any important stuff like field boss will need party or many player to fight. (except if player have over 100+ level above that boss). And this is still beta, TOS might nerf or change stuff to make it more balance in future after all.

#59

See above, I did not advocate 100% group play. However, focus on solo play from developers detracts from potential of emergent gameplay.
I recommend reading up on Black Desert’s transition from CBT3 to OBT, and the changes that came with.
MMO gameplay should focus on group play and emergent gameplay above all else.

#60

so people who refer playing solo can ALSO have their way

Making it viable for solo leveling (that’s what they talked, I fixed the “playing” part to “leveling” in the next post) is pretty far far from focusing on solo playing. One doesn’t cancel the other out. Solo leveling and party leveling can and should both exist in an MMORPG game, both have their own pros and cons.

#61

One doesn’t cancel the other out.

It does, at least when it comes to MMOs that take full advantage of the genre’s potential. I’ll recommend for the 3rd and final time to research the changes made to Black Desert from CBT3 to OBT, and the detrimental effect the focus shift had on the game and its design as a whole. It is very interesting to those with a passing desire to learn about game design.

#62

I did design and programmed a few contracted games myself, of course just some small scale web and mobile games. Though they did get pretty good reviews. But whatever the case, we have something called balance and… Sigh. Well. The best way is the way that can please most people. But whatever. If you believe that making it viable to solo leveling in a MMO will destroy all the multiplayer aspects of the game and no one would do party leveling because of this then it is up to you. I am too tired for this.

For a few day I forgot I have been here just because I wanted to play a game for fun, not for all this elite shits about playing the right way or being a core-gamer.

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#63

The best way is the way that can please most people

If money is prioritized over quality. Keep in mind popularity =/= quality necessarily.

If you believe that making it viable to solo leveling in a MMO will destroy all the multiplayer aspects of that game and no one would do party leveling because of this then it is up to you.

Rather than a misrepresentation take the advice I gave about researching the BD changes so you’ll have a better understanding of my approach.

#64

During the iCBT, I didn’t focus on any one class. Wizard was the class I chose on first day of testing. I did discover that playing wiz was not that difficult, but, as previously stated, SP regen is bad. I just typically farmed areas below my level and because my dmg was decent, I did level quicker than expected. I am just a casual gamer, so this did not bother me too much :smile: However, I do hope this is improved by next round of testing, along with exp of kills.

#65

Please more people = more people enjoy the game, more people being happy. How can this not be a good thing? Is a game made not to make people enjoy it? We are not talking about niche games with their niche aspects which are supposed to make for a niche player base, MMO ain’t that kind of game.

BD is just one game in a sea of many other games, I have absolute no interest in it so I am sorry I won’t follow your advice because I believe it will be useless for me. Why don’t you take this humble advice of mine and go research on some of the most successful MMORPG out there in which it is very viable for a player to solo level? From Ultima Online to Ragnarok Online to WoW, from grindy types to questing ones. Are they MMO? Are they not good ones?

Thank for your talk but I have no interest left so I will listen to one of your advices here and stop responding.

By the way, this talk is going too off-topic.

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#66

A large amount of people enjoyed the move Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2.
Popularity is not synonymous with quality. MMOs will (somewhat ironically) not grow if they continue to attempt to pander to the lowest common denominator rather than make use of their genre to the fullest.

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#67

I went almost 1:1 Int/SP. Still chugging potions like crazy.

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#68

I only played wizard on cbt, but for me, i think it is well balanced. You can also solo a quest but it requires lots of hp/sp potions and time to kill the boss. I never tried interacting with the other players that much since we have limited time to play in CBT.

So yeh, everything is ok for me. The regen svcks but i think it’s good. I just hope that you can get ingame currencies after finishin a quest. A little amount would do. ~_~

#69

I went went 100% INT up to lvl 57. Worked fine. Max SP was from equip and cloth armor attribute. I didn’t even use blue gem on boots or gloves.

#70

I think that if you are doing what makes you feel comfortable and enjoying the game then…that’s the best way to play that specific game! Otherwise what’s a mmo for nowadays?

#71

You didn’t get the point of this topic. What he’s saying is solo wizard has problems to kill mobs w/o consuming loads of blue potions. Which means you will pay more to grind tham others like auto attack based class.
I think it isnt a wizard problem, even a cleric can be dragged to this state, its more a player behaivor cause tham a mechanic/ balance problem. You just need to use more often yout basic attack like an archer.

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