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I demand justice for my ban

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#109

Wait so is it only okay to farm on new hunting ground now since it gives less silver or is it only if you’re a Sorcerer that you’re not allowed to farm in Baubas? Why not just remove Baubas then instead of being mean to players who utilize it’s strategic vantage points or larger silver gains. If it didn’t exist we couldn’t farm it and then you would feel mad at players for farming in it and you wouldn’t have to ban them.

Or you could buff the silver of the new HG.

Also you never caught Wolfsrayne and that guy was botting for the longest time, preventing legitimate players from farming instead.

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#110

this is your brain on ironyposting

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#111

Is that why you’re having a circle jerk with Impetus?

Like what? looking into people’s profiles now that you have a list from Forums? LOOOL

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#112

They forgot to add in the Halloween costumes to the medal shop, so 1 month we get no medal shop costumes, the next month, Christmas costumes! Spamming tickets in support having no effect because @STAFF_Bob wants to ban people who farm in Baubas instead of the new HG.

Please Bob, just add the costumes to the medal shop already, it’s been like 3 months now since they should have been added.

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#113

I’d hardly say doubting his wife existed based on the number of accounts involved in shenanigans is sexist. Unprofessional maybe, but sexist is a stretch.

‘More active’ GM’s was rarely(if ever) a good thing for private servers in my experience. Hands off usually results in less controversy. Hell-- automation is used in some servers to prevent GM corruption. Given the lack of GM activity in-game the last few months one could speculate that they were trying to be hands off. The outcry in the infamous Baubas thread was no doubt the reason we saw Cherry in-game for a brief moment back in February.

Players abusing the game for illicit gains is an important task, if not to IMC, than to the players of their game as was seen in (again) the infamous Baubas thread. Maybe that is one of the bugs you want to see fixed?

EDIT:Spelling

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#114

Your opinion is your own. Not sure why that’s the point you want to focus on. Who knows what he’s actually thinking? I merely said ‘sexist vibes.’ Lack of professionalism invites bias. They can see the ‘sheer number’ of infant accounts that were made and they can also see when their original accounts were created, years ago.

I don’t know what this means. I don’t see that you’ve listed a bug here. You seem to want to argue semantics and grasp for straws, so carry on.

#115

If u are banned then justice have been served
Case closed, thread closed
:satisfaction:

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#116

Great logic, blindly trust IMC staff to lead us in the right direction. I think you forget they’re human too, check Bob’s maliciousness towards me.

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#117

“strategic vantage points”

poposf

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#119

You can jump up to higher area’s in ToS to avoid attacks from melee monsters, and Baubas has a lot of heights making it an ideal place for weaker players to farm.

As opposed to standing in the middle of 20 archers melting through you at Irredian and nothing you can do because they’re skill tab targetting shits.

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#120

This is disingenuous. ToS doesn’t (generally speaking) have these safe areas apart from Baubas. The archers in Irredian and Baubas are relegated to a single corner of the map making this a non-argument.

The players abusing Baubas were not undergeared or ‘weaker’ players avoiding damage, they were opportunistic people that will do everything that hasn’t gotten them banned right up until it does (likely why Bubas today was actually a viable farming area for legitimate players for the first time since January 15th).

You aren’t helpless against the archers either- you can used ranged skills to kill them, you can avoid them, you can run gazing golem cards so their long range attacks don’t stagger you. I see scouts, swordsman, and wizards who managed this just fine before afk-necro/sorc/bokor meta.

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#121

The only thing that makes this ban controversial is that IMC doesn’t do it often enough.

Keep it up, all abusers are “innocent” or try to abuse loopholes. Farewell boker.

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#122

just ban the whole playerbase already smh my h, this game deserves death

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#123

I think this point is pretty valid this is an extremely different approach to how things have been handled. Obviously transparency is a good thing and warnings aside, highlighting loophole situations like making multitude of accounts to purchase Blacksmith Packs should be addressed. Regardless if it’s profitable for IMC.

It seems like systems do need to be fine tuned in that regards. I’m not trying to make a moral situation about this but the technical side. If event items like profitable consumables should even be sold?Funneling happens often in games.

@STAFF_Bob Has IMC considered disabling content that causes grounds of abuse in the future to help with damage control? I understand quick fixes are hard to ask for, or even if it’s technically possible? Just social stigmas are a bad taste in anyone’s mouth at this point.

Examples being the Dopple Shinobi world boss exploit, Bear’s damage reduction, even a map as a whole? I’m not trying to undermine warnings you have given out, nor if it’s relatively dismissed due to the speed of hotfixes being produced.

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#124

Indeed, all event items should be unsellable, and exploitable things should get plugged. IMC has at least made bokoring a tad more difficult, which makes it easier for them to distinguish real players from people using “macros” or bots. Baubas pillars should be fixed too.

But the point is that the line between playing legit and abusing is not blurry in the slightest. If you need to wonder “am I going to get banned for this”, then yeah, you probably are abusing. “I’m technically not AFK while I’m afk farming with my bokers on my 9 laptops that I’m totally legit pressing a button on every 5 minutes”. No, you’re not. ■■■■ off.

#125

It’s pathetic that there are players blindly encouraging this behavior. I tried my best to not lash out at the players and save my attention for Bob, but this is getting quite sad. Nothing I can say will prove anything to any of these blind IMC defenders, but this is literally fishing for anything IMC does to be praised and I know plenty of my haters are celebrating right now(even tagging me in ToS discord). Bob’s attitude is very unprofessional to say the least, and it’s alarming to see this attitude and treatment from an official staff member.

Back to your statement about blacksmith pack, I doubt IMC will punish multi-accounting for it, because they pocket HEAVILY from people buying the pack AND buying a token to do the trades/anvil. $20 per account, and I can put money on it that they don’t ban for this. I would like to see the Staff examine accounts that were abusing this, and we will see an alarming number. I would also like them to examine half of the playerbase to see if they have multiple accounts as well. Only I get the special treatment.

@kashucanavi The issue at hand is I was not afk. I was not using a macro or a bot, they fished for a reason to ban me, because I was upset that this “GM” does not have sufficient information ready for a confrontation when he is accusing me AND what he accused me of is not even bannable. “Multiple accounts on the same IP” is not a bannable offense. I was leveling my squire on my tablet, while killing mobs on my bokor. The GM approached me, and I responded right away. I’m automatically discarded(from some of this community) based off of the fact that I am using a bokor, which is pretty pathetic and close-minded.

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#126

I think the main issue Bob is pointing out is you taking advantage of the event making 50+ accounts then getting all rewards and putting it in 1 toon. I know not only you who’s doing that nor were you the only one who got banned. It was the Baubas farming that triggered it. We all know that those farming baubas are alt accounts, even on other maps I’m seeing bokor take advantage of the 30 day items and afking there where there are few people. Maybe the others just remained silent and didn’t seek for justice. since they knew what their doing is exploting.

#127

Sorry, but there’s no exploit in what I did. They added the pillar, and can’t even remove it. Because IMC doesn’t seem to do anything. They have to phone up Nexon and have Ktos devs fix their problem. Account funneling is literally the base of this game. People have had multiple accounts they funnel into since the games launch. There’s no exploit, there’s no abuse, the only apparent thing here is poor event handling and lack of care until they needed to.

Also, I would like to add that a permanent ban for first offense on a 3+year player(2 years before Bob even showed his face on this forum) is pretty disgusting. We can sit here and debate all day, but this would’ve never happened if they made event items untradeable.

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#128

i’m a 3 year old player myself, but even i know that is not a basis for any leniency for an offense owO

speaking of which, i think all this time you were not caught and have been benefiting from unfair gain can pretty much expend all leniency, doncha think? Owo?

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#129

i mean, someone who is smart enough to come up with a loophole, is smart enough to know what they’re doing is right and wrong, just because an act is not specifically being mentioned in the rules doesn’t mean your actions didn’t fall under unfair gain ‘w’

those kinds of techinicality is the reason why imc don’t reveal the reason why someone is banned. but they would gladly re-investigate it if they made a mistake about it.

as you can see the effect when bob and yuri shows the reason why someone being banned, only ends up with more argument and finding future loopholes

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