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Hunter's scaling (both pet leveling issues and stats prices)

Okay guys, we have a big problem here.

First, I played hunter in both CBT’s, but went for wugushi after circle 1. Now i’m looking into making a Hunter C3 for the first time.
I was looking at how they scale, and well, it scares me.

What Hunters do

First, Hunter is a class that have lots of utility skills, plus one offensive skill and the DPS help of your companion. I won’t go deep into utility right now.
The big problem is how Hunter’s damage scale.

Hunter’s Damage

It all comes from your companion. Even the rush dog skill depends entirely on your pet’s stats and nothing else. Atack, accuracy, crit chance, everything he has.
So, we HAVE to scale the companion’s damage somehow too keep up with other classes.

How Pet’s damage scales

Two ways:

  • Buying attributes
  • Leveling

Buying Attributes

Pretty nice idea, we can up stats pretty nicely while we have money. But the cost increases. How viable are they, actually?

Well, the price goes up by 8% per point, as tested with atack, crit rate and HP attributes.
Right now my pet is only lvl 72. His atack is 187 (I already bought some points for testing purposes).

To get just 100 more points in atack, it costs 60.960.606.
Yeah, 61 million.

To get it to around my atack (like he was when I just turned into a hunter) I need 300 points. This costs 295.119.700.083.164.
295 trillion.

Now, think I’m just level 103. How much this is going to scale?
We can’t buy them weapons, we can’t share stats with them.

Do we need a change here? I would say sure.

Leveling

To get it even better, we have levelling issues. As said before, I’m 103, he is 72, have been using him all the time since I got it for free (rank 3). Even stopped to level him a few hours.

But, what’s the deal here?
They don’t get exp from cards.

Consequences?

  • He deals 1 damage in basic atacks. Because he suffers from damage penalty (level difference to the monsters).

Sugestions

  • Make them level a bit faster. Slower than the first CBT, faster than this. This leads to needing dedication, grinding to only level your pet. Or just let them get exp from cards. They receive exp bonus from blues, they interact with some other mechanics. Why not from cards?
  • Change the Praise skill buff to give percentage buffs instead of flat buffs. So, each point gets more worth for the hunter, making this scale better long-term. Makes for the difference of choosing other classes or spending up to 3 ranks here.
  • Make the stats price grows a little slower, we can see how it’s not viable for anything past the first 50 levels. I mean, even if they get more worth, we can’t pay for them.

And pretty important, why is Rush Dog one of the only offensive skills in the game with no Enhance attribute in the master?
I mean, this is the only offensive skill in 3 circles. Makes Hunter’s scaling even more terrible.

Thanks for your attention

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i’m thinking of doing the same build…

archer c2 - hunter c1 - wugushi c2 - falconeer c1 - don’t know yet,

is it a good build? i’d like to have a very good endgame :smiley:

Hunter changed a lot since then, and I don’t have updated information. From what I know this is not a popular build right now, but I’m going for a similar route on my new archer, to be started today xD

Archer C2 -> Hunter -> Wugushi C3 -> Cannonner is my idea. Still researching a bit.

oh :smiley:

would wugushi c3 be better then falconeer?

I don’t have Wugushi C3 or Falconer, but from what I see both are in a bad state. I just like the bugs from wugushi :stuck_out_tongue:

Honestly, I wouldn’t suggest any of them if you want to be highly competitive. I just don’t want to play the same everyone around is playing, so I’m trying to make an alternative build as viable as possible.

Take a look at Fletcher, Sapper, maybe stick to Wugushi C2. Those appear to be more solid options at the current moment. End with Fletcher C3 or any of the rank 7 classes. :x

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Sadly, The state of the hunter is still the same …

i think it’s a bit of a gamble but i’ll go hunter c3 and maybe falconeer afterwords. The only thing hunter brings to the table at this point is CC
but hard to control…

i do believe it will become a good class eventually with AI improvement
and companion gear.

I’m almost decided at:
Archer 2 -> ?? -> Wugushi 3 -> Musketeer

I will wait to play a full Hunter after changes, I tried hunter c3 last beta and it was horrible to play.
I will maybe take Hunter c1 in this build however, as there’s nothing else to choose at that rank. Just for snatching :stuck_out_tongue: