When we have no evidence to resolve the proposition, we may suspend judgment.
Checkmates back.
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His post has 4 Likes (now, probably 100 soon) and according to ‘Jungle, Troll and Doom Law’ this means he does not need to show any source, but instead his post is now 110% Truth and Facts. 
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The channel crashing exploit was fixed therefore it’s impossible for another exploit to exist even though there was another enhancement exploit in the past in addition to the channel crashing exploit.
This statement is somehow considered absolute truth and questioning it is trolling.
Being an “old player” is also somehow a valid argument. For example:
I’m an old player and I’m telling you that anvil exploits do not exist
The rumours will never stop for good reasons. The whole enhancement system is stupidly frustrating and anti-fun + the game is known to be full of holes and exploits.
Revamp anvilling and fix your game and there will be less frustrations and bad rumours.
IMC should take a hint.
Everything happens for a reason.
Ooh, source?!
@Memester I’m so sorry you misunderstood every word that me and some other people posted on these forums in decent understandable English that anyone interested in reading can understand.
Your view of people that claims of that “currently, enhancement exploits doesn’t exist” is deeply wrong.
Let me explain it in a simpler way that anyone interested in discussing can understand:
No one claims that it isn’t impossible for another exploit to exist.
The only problem people have is that you’re actually making a positive claim.
A positive claim is an assertion that something exists.
The burden of proof is upon those who make a positive claim.
If you’re assuming the burden of proof you should actually provide proofs or source. In this case, you can provide even something minimal that isn’t a definite proof with the only requirement that your argument can’t be promptly contested by a concrete counter-argument.
Example of unproductive arguing that won’t get you nowhere:
Person A: “Enhancement exploits currently exists because they existed in the past!”
Example of Person B outsmarting Person A:
Person B: “Enhancement exploits currently does not exist because they were patched in the past, thus, current exploits are also patched.”
In other words:
There’s no instance of concrete reports of new exploits.
It could simply be possible to exist in which you should be humble instead of claiming it as truth, here, read more:
TL;DR:
Status quo is that no anvil enhancement exploits currently exists and the old ones are patched.
If you’re going to make a claim against the current state of things it’s just natural to expect you to provide a valid ground for your opinion otherwise it’s also only natural to understand that you’re either not interested in the topic itself or actually incapable of arguing.
No no. It’s “no publicly known anvil enhancement exploits currently exist and the old ones are patched.”
edit: I’m not replying anymore because of the crappy 5min cooldown, but I’ll just copy paste what I wrote above a couple more times so you can better understand.
No known anvil enhancement exploits currently exist.
No known anvil enhancement exploits currently exist.
No known anvil enhancement exploits currently exist.
Read again, please:
If your argument is that enhancement exploits currently exists is due to “they happened before”.
One simple counter-argument is that all enhancement exploits are patched because “they happened to be patched before”.
To make it even further, one can provide a STAFF post that marks the date around when the old enhancement exploits were actually patched:
Thus supporting that enhancement exploits are patched simply because they happened to be patched in the past.
Separate post for your edit.
I’m not replying anymore because I dislike talking to a wall.
Which leads to either:
A) Anvil enhancement exploits doesn’t exist.
B) Anvil enhancement exploits exists.
When we have no evidence to resolve the proposition, we may suspend judgment.
Thus we shouldn’t judge nor the topic at hand nor claim that any current weapon is exploited or not.
We both actually lack definitive arguments right?
Should we try to put them on a balance and leave it up to the readers?
A) Majority of people that actually pays attention to enhancement values agrees that no anvil exploit exists.
This also supports B since this shows that it is likely to currently have very few to 0 instances of weapons suspicious of unknown anvil enhancement exploits that can’t be explained in any other way.
B) There’s lack of clear proof of any exploited 350+ gears.
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Man you are such a meme. First it’s “Old players agree…” now it’s “The majority of those who pay attention to enhancement values agree…”.
This has zero value.
Anyway, quoting myself because the point is about the rumours and not about proving that exploits exist:
The rumours will never stop for good reasons. The whole enhancement system is stupidly frustrating and anti-fun + the game is known to be full of holes and exploits.
Revamp anvilling and fix your game and there will be less frustrations and bad rumours.
IMC should take a hint.
Everything happens for a reason.
We can’t have clear proofs of exploited upgrades to begin with, since they can just be attributed to some colossal stroke of luck.
Still, when you find the same people shouting several +16 items with no potential loss over the course of few days, the existance of exploits ends up being the more reasonable explanation.
There you come again trying to deny majority’s voice like you denied 10000 people’s vote here:
Sorry but I’m not going to discuss further with someone that claims something out of his opinion, without any supporting argument, and tries to value it as something higher than a majority of people offering good arguments and good reasoning.
Exactly.
And when did it happen to actually find the same people shouting + 16 items with no potential loss over the course of few days?
Oh, never.
Plus, what if it’s something like this?
Some people believes that you can use fodder weapons and stop enhancing one weapon (or all) depending on certain conditions.
Being one of these people I’m pretty positive that there’s actually no need for exploits to reach +16 with decent potential, given that you get a little lucky, use multiple weapons and don’t rage anvil.
Most +16 weapons aren’t really suspect.
I’m just sad I forgot to cast Gloria before live-trying the method out of boredom to answer an old thread, I could have made a +21.
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Because it’s not an argument. It’s like saying “my post has more Likes than you therefore what I say has more truth”.
You even liked this post, it makes fun of this like=truth mentality:
You don’t see people complain about hidden equipment slots, or item duplication, but you do see a lot of bitching about enhancement. Again, because there are good reasons for this and IMC needs to understand why this is happening.
Funny you say so. Cause that’s exactly what happened in Fedimian during the last days. But i guess you know better than people who play there.
Because you actually didn’t read what I type and got fixed in your thing when people talks about majority.
I just meant that there are a lot of the attentive eyes that keeps always checking never reported any suspicious weapon that can’t be explained.
I definitely value the opinion of these mostly old players from multiple servers over a single someone that have a history of trolling on forums.
Then you can show screenshots of those since it happened, right? Did you actually try to meet the person to make sure it isn’t faked shouts with addons?
Do you actually want me to dig a very old thread?
I remember things being discussed there, someone even told me that DPK is an illusion, a state of mind.
Yes. I was mad because I was not able to farm anything at all with 1-2 hours play time. I had to do only “farming” for the whole duration. Cut my playtime and I’ll just be a DPK fodder. Meanwhile pure rng means you can do whatever anytime you want. It drops when it drops, if not you can always try again no matter how little your time is.
Amazing how you asked me this question when I was one of the few who initially tested this.
Yes.
Sorry but if you’re not interested in showing proof after assuming the burden of proof with your positive claim I’ll just take that as a lie. You could have even confused it thinking it was true because some troll said so back then.
And I can just claim they didn’t lie about DPK.
Two affirmations, who’s right?
You could have tested without farming too much or something, sorry for that. Mostly posted it as an anchor to what I was about to say lol
Just like I said, DPK is unfair to who have too few time and centralized profit over a few farmers. % drops were unfair (low % chance) to who had too much time and decentralized profit unless your kill speed was insane.
Hard to please everyone >_<
Here, something related,
I don’t think I like to waste time further digging threads just to make you think “I’m not lying”
But here’s what:
Anything I could get FOR LYING? Winning an internet Argument? Do you think i’ll waste my time for that?
So what?
Support team =/= STAFF team lol
It can mean:
A) The support people didn’t understand the questions.
B) The support people actually just didn’t know.
You can even consider the Support team lied at that point but then I’d for more stuff since could just be a misunderstanding.
But that has definitely nothing to do with actual STAFF team.
Why should i have even bothered making screenshots to start with? As i said before, it doesn’t even work as proof, since despite being extremely unlikely, it’s still feasible. That’s also why i’m not saying explicitely who i’m talking about - people on Fedimian shall understand anyway, though.
And i find much more unlikely that such a people would fake shouts for items he’s meaning to sell.
Still, it’s not like there is much to discuss to begin with. You keep saying everything works fine, whereas other people cannot agree. We don’t have proofs of exploits, and you don’t have any proof of lack of exploits either.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Support is still IMC staff,
What, if the support team itself doesn’t know about the game or is lying what else or what could be worse,
great.
Again this is the problem, there may not be enough transparency even among devs and other imc staff. Here we go again, sigh.
The usual tactic again: when in doubt, call him a troll. It doesn’t help your case.
In any case, you don’t even realise what the problem just like you don’t realise what you are saying.
You decide to believe that there’s no way to exploit enhancement, then good for you. You might have good reason to believe so and it’s fine.
But there are people out there who believe the opposite and they have their reasons too.
I don’t care what you think yourself, I only care about what IMC thinks of all those bad rumours and complaints surrounding the enhancement system. And hopefully they’ll address them while you’ll keep foaming and screaming “troll!” at everyone.