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How to Fix C Blocking, Tanking, DPS

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

I realize many people are saying that at end game DPS swordies are not required.

Tanking is boring as it just require you to hold C and Press taunt.

I propose a way to solve it but doing a rework around C blocking and Swashbuckling that will make tanking possible for all swordies.

Make C Block a skill that cannot be hold down. It should only be a reactive block type where if you time it right then u can block an attack. This should an attribute for all swordies c1.

Swb should be at c1 swordie too.

Give pelta a special passive skill where after a successful block, you deal some kind of huge dmg with a debuff to reward people for their skill in timing a block right.

Then another skill for SWB that i cant think of what yet

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#2

Might as well add Deeds of Valor and Finestra to SWO C1. Because ā– ā– ā– ā–  logic.

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#3

Finestra and deeds is a more powerful skill/buff. Blocking and taunting should have always been a innate skill of all swordsman. Its a basic skill and thus the logic for it to be a rank1 swordsman.

Thus any other bonuses to blocking should be a specialist abilities where u have to choose it

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#4

Yeah lets make the swordsman class a good DPS and delete wizard, cleric, and archer from the game.

Then donā€™t play tank if you canā€™t take it. Itā€™s not a boring job to tank. As you say, you just need to taunt and hold C. While holding C, you can talk to your mother or might as well host a family reunion, drink with some friends, play other game.

I also propose a way to solve your problem by taking a PEL C1.

Yeah lets make it ā€˜unholdableā€™ so we can smash spam our C button till we destroy it. Or better idea, put a 60s CD.

Yeah letā€™s give a tank class a damage buff. He should be happy with it. And oh, btw, there is a reward for people for their skill in timing a block right. Itā€™s a Defense buff and a higher chance to Block and it allows you to walk freely and use skills.

Letā€™s put the Warcry effect in it. Or deal 1HKO to all affected targets.

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#5

Iā€™m quite surprise with your logic here.
How about we do it like this:

You can block with SWO C1 (by chance) and ā€œother bonuses specialist abilitiesā€ are at PEL C1 class.

#6

U sounds angry and not acceptable to any discussion. I think u either fix ur personal issues in life or stop trolling. Have a nice day

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#7

Personally I think you should be automatically blocking as it happens when priests have stone skin on for the party - but if you hold C your block raises as it does now. You can still get to a high amount of block without holding C - even more if you went fencer into preparation - and that would allow you to attack While blocking some hits. It would reward using a shield while not Forcing you into a defensive stance.

I think it would be fair, swordies that use a shield are handicapped at dealing damage as is. It is unfair that priests can make it so you can block with any weapon whatsoever without actually blockng.

At that point, stone skin should be reworked so that it works exactly as swordies blocking does in my aforementioned suggestion, meaning only people with a shield would actually benefit from it. It would balance it out enough so it isnt as OP as it is right now, and fix one of the biggest underlying swordsman issues out there.

#8

U seems less angry now.

Anyway the logic why i said that c blocking should moved to swordsman rank 1 is because blocking is a innate skill that introduce into more shield play.

At r1 u get to try out the basic of how a 1h1s works at least and see if you want to focus on it or try something else.

And swashbuckling beside to be use as a tank it could also use as a luring mob skill even if ur not a tank. At least it gives a role for swordsman regardless of being a tank or dps in party play.

Now nobody said that their ā€hugeā€ dmg on shield counter attack from pelta should be so op that everybody will just play pelta. I m actually steering away from the numbers and introducing a play style.

That huge dmg need not deal 9999999999999dmg. It just need to deal alot for a shield user as compare to rim blow and etc because its an situational skill or instead of making the main shine of that counter move by dmg number. Maybe make it a debuff that will affect boss. A unique debuff that is useful, required but not gamebreaking.

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#9

Sorry for the rudeness earlier.

I just find this really out of logic. Sman are the only tank class. It would be totally unfair to give it a damage buff and by puting the Swash Buckling to SWO C1 making Sman to take more DPS oriented class. Itā€™s the balance, you take more def, you miss more damage and vice versa.

#10

Bad tankers only tank.

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#11

Plain and simple if you donā€™t have swashbuckling your not a tank, you may be tanky, however the minute that a squishie gets agro there is next to nothing you can do about that person getting vaporized. I hate that itā€™s almost required to take a circle of pel if you want to be in parties later, kind of the same as how if you take monk people will actually kick you from parties as a dps cleric is not needed, just the heals. You can argue till your blue in the face, but the design of swordman sucks, however as an archer I do enjoy kiting things because my swordsman in my party is lacking pel in their build.

Bottom line swashbuckling needs to be moved and pel/rodelro should get something more specialized as they choose to push tanking to the next level. There are a few problems like this in a couple areas in the game, where not taking a certain circle gimps your entire character. But itā€™s the most glaring in swordsman. If my party decides they want to run without someone with swashbuckling I will quickly leave them before they start the run ā€œSorry no provoke no thanksā€

#12

just gotta highlight this

for the people who keep using this kind of argument

#13

Going from one extreme to another is a sign of a healthy discussion apparently. I proposed a fix for the problem without making it unbalanced.

#14

hope IMC considerate this idea, since swordsman build without petalsta is being discriminated.

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#15

I think thrust should be usable while holding C

#16

Swordman is not a tanker class even they are more tanky.
By logic, a swordman start with a sword, not a shield.
Stop making my fencer sad.

#17

I get that people donā€™t want them to be default the tank class as well or feel that them having provoke at circle 1 isnā€™t fairā€¦

But here something for you, while everyone argues about freedomā€¦ Would you take a swordsman late game without provoke knowing that you have to balance what you do and will have no monster control?

ā€¦I wont, screw that, yes I totally want to watch that S2->B1->hop1-> C2 jump around and try to match dps /sarcasm. Iā€™ll groan even at lower levels on alts when I get in a 50 group without one of the swordsmen being a pel1. And when I do play my swordsman I die laughing at how silly it is that the class as a whole has no percentage damage skills so nothing scales period.

Flat damage is only good if the base is high, (this is another one of the problems with swordsman that could easily fix the class) as of now the only percentage skill is thrust. So doesnā€™t that basically mean that if your not S3 -> pel 1 -> hop 2 your basically gimping yourself? The short answer is yes. But people want diversity and I respect that, but stay out of my group if you donā€™t have provokeā€¦ -signed a concerned archer that your class is the worst in the game now

Edit: (oh shit forgot you can get percentage mastery from Fencerā€¦ But you need to remove your shieldā€¦ have fun with that :P)

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#19

if the swordsman are a good meele DPS we dont need heals and aoe dps ? youā€™re being selfish, other classes have different builds while sw is stuck on tanky service

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#20

oooorrr, just take pelt 1 bite the bullet and thats it. if all you are doing is C and taunt then you are losing hate and suck at tanking as a matter of fact I think taunt should not be usable unless you have shield equipped.

Bad build is bad build just go complain for circle resets rather than try to couch this nonsense like a ā€œSkillsā€ needed to time block.

Tl:Dr if you donā€™t time block u already suck, no silly mechanic change needed.

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