PvP-wise I believe Dragoon is still OK as Dethrone doesn’t give a frag about Missile Hole and roots, which is a serious advantage if you’re a foot corsair or any other foot char who can land your Dethrones. It’s CD is also much better than Pistol Shot, for example.
Cata3 also is rather fine, just not in PvE. Trot15 never got nerfed. Tho, Cata3-wise, I’d go Sw2-Hop2-Cata3-Lancer1 instead of dragoon. Dragoon1 was shitty even before the nerf, and now Dragoon1 is a total waste of rank IMO.
Ahhh Dragoon and another someone who said -50% attack and armor of lancer.
why not you guys look at CD of dragoon skills before adjust how strong class is?
You can pick and main it so youll be laughing stock in Telsiai. Or maybe use it in TBL if you think it would retain its uses. Anyway Crush is bugged in iTOS after a specific patch. It is going to be fixed and maybe isnt bugged in Korea ATM.
Every Lancer knows it is bugged atm, doesnt mean the bug will stay. Anyway the bug started in February, it was working fine until the patch on that particular month. I dont mind nitpicking as long it is correct.
Seeing the videos of Lancer’s Crush quintain combo, it seems the debuff is working as intended in KR.
I remember saying Monk3>Inq1 being capable of doing more damage than a Dragoon2… I guess I wasn’t wrong!
lvl15 Double Punch
228% damage x 2 per cast
increased blunt damage debuff
Cost: 2 stamina /w 50% chance to regain 1 stamina back
CD: 0s
lvl5 Dethrone (Yes I know Goon3 gets lvl10 dethrone and maybe even a better new skill over 9999% damage… But let’s not forget the crazy rising SP cost of every dragoon skill)
619% damage x 2 per cast
Root debuff
Cost: 145 SP
CD: 16s
Now look at the speed of the double punches: https://youtu.be/akVSro2Iyeo?t=45m35s
Now just how many dethrones do we need to use to get comparable damage @_@
1 vs 1? 1 vs 10? 1 vs range? other ???
Dethrone got nerf, yes. But your comparison is just /facepalm.
/faceplam
compare to cure your Double punch is suck
even it can’t be compare to heal that can increase your hp
ps: lol
Last time I checked, double punch isn’t a long aoe that roots targets. Yeah dethrone could be a little more damage, but were comparing totally different things here.
Dethrone is fine, it has utility. What they should be buffing is damage of dragontooth and dragon soar, maybe even serpentine. Dragoontooth and dragoon soar are meh damage average cooldown skills they I would use as fillers in any damage rotation but they are almost the main skills of dragoon. They are so underwhelming, their aoe sucks, they have no utility, their damage is lacking plus dragoontooth takes about 2 seconds to charge, wtf.
From @elinhime post
Swordsman builds:
3. Swordsman - Highlander3 - Barbarian - Doppel3
9. Swordsman - Pelt3 - Rodelero3 - murmillo
10. Swordsman3 - Higlander2 - Fencer3
11. Swordsman3 - Cataphract3 - Dragoon - Lancer
13. Swordsman3 - Cataphract3 - Dragoon2
Dragoon2 is in top 5 sw build, so your " Dragoon is not worth going for at rank8. Its basically trash." is out <3
This is before the major patch that will change everything…
That list pretty much solidified that Dopple, Lancer, Murmillo and Fencer were above Dragoon 2.
I know right, but he said that Dragoon2 was “trash and not worth it”, this list prove that it isn’t the case, even indeed dragoon2 is the last in this top5 list ^^
I think those remaining Dragoons just love the class. Sooner than later they will also commit seppuku.
Before the rebalance lots of people liked dragoon, they still do thats why it is still there. Like your friend, even though he sucks you still there by his side. I think this attachment will fade away in due time because friendship is nothing but illusion of advanced monkey that happened to be sentient.
I made a thread asking dragoons if they will switch class, most of them will stick until the end because they really liked it. Thats why we have people here theory crafting barbarian into dragoon build. You dont wanna see your friend dying so youll do everything you can to save him. Maybe thats also happening in KR.
You are right… The only people who still play Dragoon after the patch are truly people who like the class and not the “meta players”… I for one am definitely going to keep Dragoon2 and remove Cata. Either HopGoon or BarbGoon.
I will keep using this dragoon for dailies until Goon3 is released while I main my Monk since Monk was the first character I created in this game, I also really enjoy Monk and now it seems Monk has just gotten much better.
Who knows, maybe I fall in love with the monk gameplay style and totally ditch my dragoon lol.
Thats not friendship at all. You only use dragoon for self gratification, you only go to him/her if you needed something. Sometimes it’s better to forget and leave, so the wounds will heal.
But then you could say the same to my Monk. It was my first character since launch. I ditched him because I just couldn’t keep up so in the end I even reset Monk3 to Pala3 when R8 released.
Still yet to decide whether my true main is Monk or Dragoon. (I only have 2 characters)
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all? did spear lunge and cleave got nerfed too?
[/quote]Ok, “basically all damage boosters” that gave 100% or higher multipliers for “generic” sources (Blunt, Meele, Ice, Lightning, etc.).
Iirc Lunge and Cleave are 50% multipliers, so probably those will still be the same.
@Topic
Good thing these ppl here were not the ones hired for the balance team. My eyes are burning…
What, you basically proved my point… Its the least in the damage oriented r8 dps classes. Btw did you ever spoke to ktesters ? They say dragoon sucks too. Any1 without high hopes and dreams for drag3 drops it. I say its trash because basically highlander2 has better dps.