Then the problem is Cleric, not Dragoon.
Because Cure is having the same damage than Musketeer skills.
Whats your use for dragoon anyway? PVP or PVE or you love the class regardless. If cleric is the problem then why HL and SW3 deal more damage than dragoon 2? Thats swordie there not a cleric. If we gonna use the best DPS class, Dragoon 2 falls behind. Thats why it doesnt excel at anything.
Or maybe dragoon is balance because it doesnt excel at anything. Then we gonna nerf those OP classes instead? Clerics, archers, wiz and sword OP classes.
His RHP is +6 with NO TRANS itās obvious heāll look shitty compared to dozens of +11 lv8 trans+ people.
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First its serpentine that has the damage debuff. Know the class before commenting.
Second I never mentioned the multiplier when I said nerf. Its just a cherry on the cake.
Third, dragoon has close to no aoe skills, and its single target damage is not compensating for it. Basically now if you want single target dps you go lancer or fencer, if you want aoe you go doppel. Dragoon is corsair tier dps now with less aoe and no utility like pillage, hook. As @jynxie08 even cleric2-3 has comparable numbers with dragoon and they have versatility of using the same skill for healing or damaging. Dragoon is not worth going for at rank8. Its basically trash.
Fourth, ātry to put in your headā, there is always a meta. Meta can change but will never be gone. Unless this game only has 1 class, meta will stay. Meta is existing and fundamental for all competitive games.
Its not just lancer, doppel and fencer are also in a very good spot. Dragoon feels so left behind. Almost like a rank 5-6 class.
What? do you even know what youāre talking?
-Serpentine debuff got double duration (10s of +50% is better than 5s of +100%, especially now in this update context);
-Gae Bulg got buffed to the point where it got transformed from trash to gold;
-Dethrone got nerfed, which is expected since it was way too strong. However, the others skills pretty much still dealing a similar damage (or even more due to the new scallings), different from others classes that got gutted (cata, highlander).
I think youāre judging only by the % and forgetting that all those % are multiplied by several debuffs (spear lunge, gae bulg, serpentine), which makes all the difference. Dragoon is a boss-wise class, is natural that his true power only can be seen when fighting against bosses (due to the debuffs being more āmechanicallyā effective against bosses).
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Is serpentine still worth it to take R7 though to boost Lancer DMG?
Serpentine seems to have faster animation now,still does good damage.
The damage per cooldown of serpentine is the second smallest between dragoon skills now (probably because of the c2 debuff). So i donāt think it will be good as itās now. However, still worth to pick. The best thing to do is to put at least 1 point in every skill, unless you really need them to a core skill, which isnāt the case in dragoon c1.
No no no. Dopple, Fencer and Lancer shits on Dragoon 2. All of what you said about damage amplification can also be said with Dopple, Fencer and Lancer. Theyre way better than Dragoon 2 thats why there is no use for Dragoon as boss hunter. Even SW 3 is better than Dragoon 2 under that amplification condition you had said.
Thats swordsman alone, we have Wiz, Cleric, Archers that also shits on Dragoon as DPS.
If we wanna build a boss killer you dont pick dragoon because youll just lose to fencers. If you wanna be a DPS for ET you dont pick Dragoon because Dopple is way better than dragoon 2. If you wanna PVP you dont Pick Dragoon because Lancer or Murmillo are way better than Dragoon. Do you get the picture now? The only thing Dragoon excel at is being Dethroned. Now ask yourself if you know what you talking about.
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If Cata has been seriously nerfed as many posters have said though, what do we get for lower ranks? SW3, Hop3 for finestra?
sw3 gives better buffs + double slash idk how ds became op but it probably did due to its additional damage becoming percentage based instead of flat 500 about hop3 i think its trashed mainly because everyone doesnt rely on crit now and spear throw is only great with the use of geras spear unless they plan to make another spear with the same buff that geras does to spear throw plus its animation sucks so bad i regret taking it on my new toon the only great thing about it is its huge AOE and 0 cd u should try it next week see for urself
all? did spear lunge and cleave got nerfed too?
I am currently SW3>Cata3>Goon2 and I am planning to drop Cata3 and seriously considering dropping Goon2ā¦ But I already have a Cripple weapon and canāt simply switch to a Dopple or something else as I would have to sell my 2h spear and buy a 2h sword.
I really like the theme and aesthetic of Dragoon and the idea behind dragoon is that itās supposed to be a boss killer class. (They have a passive called big game hunter, more damage against big/boss monsters)
But at this point after seeing how cata and dragoon will turn out after the patch, I am more interested in a Barb>Dopple build, or even a lancer.
I actually thought about SW3>Hop3/Barb3/HL3>Goon2ā¦ But seriously, feels like SW3>HL3/Barb3 does way more than what taking Goon2 has to offer
I am also kinda interested in Corsair3 after the whole pillage reworkā¦ But there still isnāt any idea what rank9 will give to corsair3.
Itās true that Goon2 after the patch sucks. Because before the patch, taking circle2 of dragoon2 actually skyrockets your damage with the one and only super powerful skill dethrone and now that dethrone has been nerfed, it is basically a debuff skill which roots things in place and good for cleaning trash mobs. It is no longer the āBOSS KILLERā dethrone skill. You might as well be a damage support class with all your debuffs for the real damage dealers like archers.
As for cataā¦ Oh god did you see at the horrible multipliers it got after the patch? Still fake multihit, still requires charging and rush is simply draining your SP turning you into SP pot addict for mediocre damage. Damage is a joke.
You can use Lancer as alternative to Dragoon. Crush debuff is 100% additional damage for Quintain and -50% attack and armor penalty. The only problem is that youre lock into using 2 handed-spear on a mount. It also means you dont have natural synergy before Lancer. Hoplite is 1 handed spear + shield specialty. Cata suck balls.
Yea, Dragoon 2 dont excel to every DPS job there anymore. He is king in PVP, Bossing, ET(we also use dragoon 2 in ET). Now dragoon is below average both PVE and PVP. Dethroned indeed.
Im thinking if I should just delete my main as a fck you to IMC or use shinobi. Im heavily invested with 2 handed spears too. Switching to shinobi PVP is my alternative to avoid the surge of Lancers. Picking overnerfed dragoon is not an option.
Iāll have to wait and see what a geared Dragoon is like, but itās been fairly underwhelming so far. Dragoonās damage has always come from their debuffs which are hard to use, easily avoidable, and of average use against normal monsters. Now we have to get the perfect rotation to even have the same damage, we arenāt really rewarded for using our debuffs/buffs properly, itās just what makes us par.
Iām going to stick to Hop-Goon, probably end up going 1H+Shield and Plate, which would grant me the ability to go almost entirely STR, and use DOV/Gung-ho without too much trouble. If it really is underpowered like KTOS is suggesting, then Iāll hope and encourage for a buff.
Thats the problem when the only natural synergy before Lancer is Cata3. (SW3>Cata3>Corsair1>Lancer) and we all know cata3 is now worst than ever, the only point is for Trot15.
I donāt know manā¦ Like you said, the problem is that we are already invested into 2h spear weapon and to make a switch into other weapons isnāt easy unless you are rich in the game. I donāt luxury of time to play this game 24/7 so I only have 2 characters a cleric and a swordie.
I might just cave in and turn my swordie into a SW3>Barb3>Goon2 and only have him do dailies permanently until Goon3 is released and see what we get.
I think even Monk3>Inq1 will do more damage than dragoon after the patch. lol
It will get better in rank 9. But no use to stick with it for now because majority will cry to also include rank reset with rank 9 patch. IMC tends to listen if we cry a river.
Everyoneās so on edgeā¦ here, look at this relaxing cookie-cutter loop. Ahhhā¦ familiarity.
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Maybe we could bribe the Devs to rebalance Dragoonāsā¦
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