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How Class/Rank Resets Could Be a Good Thing

General Discussion
#1

So I’ve seen several threads of people arguing back and forth about really wanting to be able to reset their rank/class while others complain that it’d make the game too easy and ruin for the more hardcore players. The problem is that people don’t specify in detail how they want to rank reset to work while those against it seem to not give a second thought on it possibly being implemented without making the game casual or easy.

This is just a suggested system that I hope might help IMC in their decisions but I am not claiming this to be perfect.

  1. Reset costs money. This is very obvious that if you want to take shortcuts in the game; you might have to fork over some cash. It’s possible this could be an item that players could buy and sell on the market similar to tokens.

  2. Reset is limited to your highest rank only - but resets can be repeated. This way people can’t just reset their R8 toon’s R2 class to something else. If they want to reset their R2 then they have to reset R3-R8 too. This could get expensive if you want to reset multiple ranks. And it also ties into…

  3. When you reset you lose your class levels and possibly some base levels. This is important because this makes it so people can’t switch from an easy to level class to another one later down the road. Because you have to re-level when you reset you MUST level up as the class you want for that rank; no ways around it. For base levels you could lose some based on the rank you reset through some formula. For example 10 + rank squared. So if you’re resetting at a higher rank, you have more work to redo. This could get tricky with resetting allocated stat points with the levels but it should be a simple matter to track these.

Here’s the advantages to a system like the one described above:

  • Helps the game by providing income while at the same time being accessible to ftp players if they can purchase the item from other players.

  • Let’s people fix their mistakes without needing to invest another 500+ hours re-rolling. I’m pretty sure many would agree just having to redo possibly a couple dozen levels is much preferable than starting over.

  • Players retain their character’s achievements, map completions, quest completions, and adventure log work. Another advantage to not re-rolling. At the same time though this could make re-leveling even harder since your only option could be to grind. Casual? I think not!

As you can see the system above addresses a lot of the complaints against a reset system while still being reasonable to those who do want a reset. It could be a win/win situation; it just needs to be done right. I believe it’s better to think about how the system can be compromising to many player profiles rather than argue about said system.

I think one of the biggest influencing factors is the massive amount of time needed to level up characters in the game. What if someone wants to reset their class due to balancing issues? What if they’re just not having fun with the class? If they have to re-roll how many people will actually be willing to re-invest massive amounts of time? Some will but I bet a lot won’t and since ToS is sort of a niche game already can it really afford to lose those people?

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#2

I usually say its not p2w if you can achieve it by just playing, but your suggestion is p2w imo. Either level another character or spend a bunch of money? In this case it gives you a massive advantage over people who cant afford it. Much more so than anything we have now, which id argue is not p2w.

If this games main feature wasnt its unique class system i would be fine with resets. If getting one character at end game and staying there was the goal of this game, sure. If it was one of those “game doesnt start til end game” type games, then sure.

Id rather be able to reset a character back to character lvl 1, rank 1 with some kind of xp bonus. This would make it so you keep your achievements and everything else without having to create a new character.

This has all the same advantages of your above mentioned advantages. Keep achievements and stuff, quicker to get back to where you were, available for everyone.

As for your accessible for f2p players advantage, it seriously doubt it would be a tradeable item.

Reality is, this game wasnt meant to have class resets. There is no way to even get stat resets anymore.

I actually dont think it is a massive time to level a character anyway. Maybe all the way to 280 it takes a while, but the game isnt complete and quests stop quite a while before the cap. How long does it take to get to the point where quests stop? How long will it take when they add additional quests and stuff all the way to the cap? When the cap is increased, would they add more features to make the earlier leveling faster?

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#3

Where is the dislike button?

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#4

How is it p2w? You’ll be exactly where you were to begin with, just a different class, that you could have chosen the first time for free.

Unless EXP tomes and skill resets are already p2w, since you can pay for something that free players can get eventually.

You’re suggesting like the exact same system, where you reset your entire character in order to choose a different class the 2nd time. Only TC also allows partial resets so you can start at like, lv50 instead of lv1 so you don’t have to bother leveling the exact same classes all over again.

How is that bad for the game?

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#5

I don’t see how this solution gives them a gameplay advantage over other players; being able to pay money to save time and reset a few ranks doesn’t make their character better than any others at that level. Also by your definition of p2w the experience scrolls are just a minor form of a time saver and are also p2w. People have the choice to spend money to get through content faster; does that mean they don’t have to do the content at all? no.

You can doubt it would be a tradeable item that’s fine. It’s not really worth discussing unless we know for a fact a reset system is going to be in place and that it is only accessible to people who pay. Then we can talk about the system being p2w maybe. I am merely suggesting how a reset system could work well; not how it is for fact going to work. IMC could even make the reset cost only in game money and it would be accessible to everyone but I was trying to be realistic because I also doubt they’re offer the service completely for free if it was in fact offered. It is my deepest hope that if a system is put in place that f2p players have access to it through some channel.

Maybe now it isn’t that big of a time sink but what about 10 more ranks later? What about when you’re maybe level 600? You’re right, the game isn’t complete and we already have people complaining about the time it takes level up to current max.

I have to respectfully disagree that a reset is more beneficial because of the unique class system. There’s such a wide variety of classes you can hardly expect the average player to not make mistakes. And yes, sorry to say but getting characters to endgame is the goal of the game; it’s an mmo after all. I’m not saying that end game is the only thing worth experiencing but if an mmo wants to retain players it is a major factor. People will keep playing because they want to PvP or GvG or run dungeons/missions with their friends, or just socialize. Restarting a character just prolongs the time it takes for players to have fun doing content they want to do. Leveling can be fun, but not if you have to do it for the same type of character again possibly multiple times.

#6

With 20-30$ for new packages,if there is class reset IMC will makes it around 2000$-3000$

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#7

How about once a month you get a (non cash shop) reset. You can reset all ranks at once, but the more ranks you reset, the more class levels from each rank you lose.

So if you reset from c3 Monk (R7) and want to redo everything including your c1 cleric rank, you lose 7 levels from each rank and have to grind out those ranks that you lost (as soon as you regain a rank you restart at class level 8, because resetting 7 ranks loses 7 levels).

Further ideas:

  • Premium respec item so you can respec more than once a month.
  • As a complementary thing, you get to reallocate half your level’s worth of points I guess.
  • 30 day timer starts from your last respec. Can not stockpile extras.
  • No changing r1 class.
  • No respeccing specific ranks. If you want to respec your rank 4, you have to go through ranks 7, 6, 5, and 4.

These restrictions will hopefully make it so that class choice does have an impact and not a thing you pick because “it was convenient at the moment”.

#8

Balance change: whales buy new characters. average people spend 200 hours to get there. There is a gameplay advantage.

Enchant scrolls and skill resets dont affect the game nearly as much as a class reset would. They arent comparable. Stat resets wouldnt affect the game as much as class resets would, but it would affect it more than the the ones i mentioned earlier too. Notice how almost unobtainable stat resets are.

I guess it like what you said about tradeable resets, its not worth discussing until they actually raise the cap and see if they add ways to level faster.

Last paragraph tells me you are just used to all the wow clones. All those things you mentioned people like to do can do it on any character and dont need to be max for it.

I will add that i used to be ok with some form of resets, i posted a suggestion about it a while ago, but it was similar to yours except each character could only do it 3 ranks ever. So you can fix mistakes and that is all it would be used for and couldnt be abused.

Now id rather have what i mentioned in my last post though.

#9

I will repeat:

After some time, when we get rank 10 and, I dont know, level 400, I want to see what the people who is against the reset will do when they notice they ■■■■■■ up their level 580 character by simple mistake or a buff/nerf of some class and ■■■■ up their build. I want to see if they will be quiet and accept and simple redo all the character

Of course, now they will respond “Of course! It was my mistake!”… of course my little inbecil retarrdadu, but when the time comes, you will cry, I know you will

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#10

Hmm, I fear the only way to make a Class reset fair would be to:

  • Make it a class reset token(kind of like regular token in that it can be sold auction house under the premium tab but it just resets ANY class rank [we’ll get back to this “any business”])

  • With the Token now being purchasable from the auction house if another player see so fit as to sell one, its not exactly p2w seeing as everyone would have a means to get it.

  • Another thing they could do is make it an item you get for completing every available quest in the game.

  • Now once you reset any class rank you lose all classes you have gotten after that class rank IE: you take out ranger 1 at rank 7 guess what… you’re now rank 2 again.

Now how would that reset work you ask. WELL mobs give Class EXP and Character EXP you’d just be earning a higher rate of class exp than you did at rank 2 originally. also you’d still have your lvl 220+ gear etc etc so in my opinion It’d allow for an even more fun grind back to class 7 than the original grind :smiley: However this will never happen. Hell i cant even get my stat reset move from my Peltesta (pure con) to another character FailFish

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#11

ew i posted on the forums D: never again >_< i also didnt read any of The previous posts except the original so if an idea from someone else’s post is in here… whew great minds think alike!

#12

If you have enough money class reset is possible

Just go to imc workplace and throw some money at them a million$ maybe
said that you want class reset on your char and see how things work

#13

maybe there could be a circle reset scroll tradable that you buy in the premiun shop that resets 1 rank and you have to level that rank from zero, that’s better that not wanting to reroll all because one misstep and you end up quitting the game

It took me 102 hours to get my character to level 130 if have to redo all the boring quests again just because I fcked up one rank I prefer to quit

#14

What?are you haters will ever give a good reason.

#15

The meta would be “Level the easiest way to level then class reset at endgame” effectively destroying the game, when you walk around you’d see nothing but full dex clerics, pyro wizards, ranger archers, and barbarian swordsman.

Oh god, that would be so awful, please god no. Would likely make me quit, because it would be SO much more effective leveling as the “best leveling build” that I would end up leveling 3 wizards the same exact way… oh god…

You can say “just don’t do it then!”, but that’s dumb, why wouldn’t you level the easiest way possible if you have the option to?

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#16

For some people a million is like 1 dollar ya know

#17

please if you are not going to contribute anything to the topic just don’t comment

#18

LOLs!

This won’t happen. Having a class reset is clearly PAY 2 WIN and it will make the game even more unbalanced.As anyone can simply change when they reach end-game or PvP in an instant.

Also, it’s not fair for people who made their way to Level 280 Alchemists which is tough to reach especially having only 1C3, instead of others have 2 and such.

What you’re asking is breaking the game. REROLLING is a common thing.

Many will be against this and this is impossible to happen as they will have to do a new set of coding.

If IMC are already having troubles optimizing their engine, server stability, and among other problems the game currently facing, do you think they will have time for this?

Also biggest problem you got is convincing the Korean community. Since pretty much what content one region gets, everyone gets. Koreans are heavy grinders and they dislike this.

TLDR: NO TO RESETS and stop spamming the forums with this nonsense because IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

#19

I rather prefer an attribute that allows you to learn basic skills from other class in same rank, just the most needed ones. It’s seriously stupid when you need C2 Cleric just because Heal lv 10, Krivis for Daino, Peltasta for Swash. Or maybe let Pardoner scroll basic spells like them, instead just depending on their own class. Why I need to make 2 Pardoners for scroll and buff shop?

In CBT Priest is like needed in every possible class because its buff and now we can discard it by buying Pardoner’s buff. We need same thing so that Cleric C2 or Peltasta are not a must circle…

#20

Oh what people need to write an essay in order to pleased you